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Canadian Lumber rolling papers are garbage, made in China and among the lowest quality you can get.

Canadian Lumber rolling papers are garbage, made in China and among the lowest quality you can get.

monofonik

Yes they're definitely made in China but AT LEAST they submit for regular testing at UGuelph and publish their results publicly. I generally lean toward RAW Blacks myself, but I'm interested to try out KEB.


GreggoireLeOeuf

>I see a lot of posts on social media about supporting Canadian made products, the quality of the papers, etc. Its really nauseating, and the Cdn Lumber peeps make no effort to correct people. In fact, there is nothing on the booklet which even says where they are made from the website: **There is currently no rolling paper manufacturer in Canada. The only smokeable products made in Canada are cigarette tubes, which contain more chemicals than your daily newspaper. We tested countless products until we found the cleanest manufacturer possible. Next, we asked our top producers to customize pulp blends that result in top-quality, natural rolling papers.** **We settled with a great manufacturer in China that shares our values of allergen-free, natural products. We are very transparent about where our product comes from and are happy to talk through any and all questions at [email protected]**


SomethingOriginal710

Yeah its on their website. As far as I know they've never lied about it directly (except by omission), and I've never claimed otherwise. Their marketing is misleading, however, and I have seen them not correct people and even encourage people on social media who say they are so happy to finally buy "Canadian made rolling papers". Several people on this post even have said that they bought them thinking they were made in Canada and dissapointed by both the quality and the marketing. With a name like Canadian Lumber for a paper product, wouldnt it be reasonable to assume it would be made with, I dunno, Canadian lumber?


O111111O

Exactly, the name itself is misleading


Jsmfrenchy

Check out KEB, made in France but they are based in MTL. Found them a while back at a local smoke spot and was pleasantly surprised.


SomethingOriginal710

I just checked them out, they look decent. Im surprised OCB/Republic tobacco hasn't sued them lol. Looks really similar to their branding. If they're made in France they're probably an alright paper. I like how they want to repatriate an old paper mill in Quebec and wish them luck... right now there aren't any papers actually produced in North America that I know of. The costs would be super high, and the quality would likely be way way lower than factories in France and Spain that have been producing quality rolling paper for 200+ years.


Jsmfrenchy

Yeah not sure what they’d sue them over and if it would be worth their time. The ECO is my favorite, similar to raw tbh, but more affordable which is nice. Yeah saw that paper mill idea on their website too, maybe Quebec would fund it or something, as wouldn’t be bad for QC to have the niche in rolling pape for North America.


SomethingOriginal710

Big tobacco companies toss out lawsuits like rice at weddings lol. I just noticed that the blue "OG slims" have a similar color and even name to the OCB slims, and both made in France. I would 100% pay more for Quebec papers. I mean my upper limit is probably like $5-6 bucks for a pack of made in Canada, so id be curious if they could do it affordable and of high quality.


Jsmfrenchy

Like rice at weddings hhahahah I like that. I have honestly seen them priced similar to OCB cheaper than RAW. But they are organic, FSC all that stuff. Would be sweet if they actually managed to move production to QC in the future, if they get consistent support maybe they could.


nc208

[https://cdnlumber.ca/product/4-20-rolling-kit/](https://cdnlumber.ca/product/4-20-rolling-kit/) I think if you got this it might change your tune a little.......


SomethingOriginal710

Lol... I've tried them before. They're mediocre at best. Though as I mentioned, an excellent marketing company. Thats a beautifully put together package.


nc208

lol I'm just razzin ya. I was at lyft 2 years ago and there were some girls out front giving these out and I got a bunch of free packs and cannot agree more with you about the garbage quality. wonder about these guys? [https://www.papes.ca/](https://www.papes.ca/)


SomethingOriginal710

Lol, hard to tell on the internet. Papes are probably mediocre, no watermark, generic papers, but there are no really high quality custom brands, really, unless they can convince one of the big manufacturers to white label their paper. At least they are made in France, so a step above Cdn Lumber. I havent tried them though so can't really say. Just looking at the website, thats sort of the annoying thing to me; Its pure marketing of a generic, likely sub par product dressed up really fanciful and sleek. 20 different people can start 20 different "lifestyle" brands and tell 20 different stories about how they're different, they're the premium/exclusive/superior paper for the artistic/inspired/conscious consumer, and all 20 use the same mediocre paper and put out the same t shirts, beanies, mass market garbage to fill the landfills.


Quebecdudeeh

I am look at this company for down the road [https://rollingfactory.com/](https://rollingfactory.com/) They are in Athens and are part of the EU. They do customer jobs. Just not ready to make the plunge yet. It is all about if they do custom jobs. this company I listed does watermark if you need that and the first paper and last 5 paper warning. I have been considering this for a while now.


SomethingOriginal710

Watermark and 5 paper warning immediately elevates it outside those generic papers IMO. Id be curious to try them out. They honestly look pretty good. EU standards of paper and QA. Like 70% of Greece smoke so they've probly got a good feel for it. If I was gonna start a custom paper company, I'd definitely go with something like these guys. The way I see it, there's so much garbage out there and running a company is so much work and dedication, that if I'm gonna do it, id want to make sure I start with the most important factor: quality. Something that doesn't exist and dozens of companies dont have the same product with different branding (which is the case for a lot of white label stuff). Having a good brand story, marketing, sustainability, etc. all of this are important (and clearly effective) but to me, it doesn't really mean shit and just rings hollow if the product is generic crap. Like, does the world really need more crappy rolling paper with really nice cover artwork and nifty features and inspiring brand stories that hit all the SEO and have a fancy, expensive website and integrated e-commerce? Everyone these days is so obsessed with that shit and putting CEO on their LinkedIn. That's why I appreciate quality as the primary factor, followed closely by sustainability. Kirkland is a good example of this. I dont think I've ever got a Kirkland product and been like, huh, that was pretty shitty. If Kirkland sells a version of something I need, I will almost always buy it.


SolanGoose

Raw makes their products in Spain, iirc


SomethingOriginal710

Yeah they do.


Quebecdudeeh

Republic Tabacco makes multiple brands such as OCB and Zig Zag. Totally agree choose one made in the European Union. It is about the Standards they made over the years and abide by in the EU. It is the EU and they have very specific standards on how things are manufactured in the EU. There is a standard Quality you see within the EU. One you recognize from years of experience and set standards. I saw this guys rant how is upset Canadian Lumber is being talked down. all on the Premise of it is a Canadian Company. No it is a Canadian brand name only. Absolutely nothing more. Sure buy a Canadian brand if it is made in the EU. We do not have the capabilities or need to make them here. I ranted on his post the guy that wants your removed.


SomethingOriginal710

Yeah, I noticed it too lol. Claims I have a hidden agenda, even though the post really speaks for itself. I havent said anything untrue and Im not doxxing the people or going on a personal attack, it just irks me that so many people think that they are quality, Canadian made papers when they are not at all. Theres so so many other papers you can buy that would elevate your smoking experience better than those ones and cost less. And their marketing is pretty deliberately vague about the country of origin. Its not even on the packs of paper. If someone wants to buy sub par consumer goods because its a Canadian company, thats their choice, of course. But I am also a consumer and I don't like misleading marketing and won't buy a shitty product just because a couple of Canadians decided to capitalism on legalization and nationalist patriotism and import some crappy rolling papers lol. And its pretty clear from this post that several people agree with the post, and several people weren't aware that they're not made in Canada. So I consider it a small success towards getting people to smoke better papers.


Pierre-LucDubois

I don't think you have an agenda, but when people have accounts with no posts other than the one they're using to talk shit about a company, it doesn't carry the same weight as it does when a person from the community with tons of posts and years long Reddit history to base it from. I didn't read the dudes post yet, but if he feels your post is such an attack on said company, why not actually refute everything you're saying or even have a rep from the company read everything you said and refute it themselves. But they aren't doing that, wanna know why? Because everything you said is probably 100% accurate and you were very black and white with your info, so either they'd have to provide evidence to refute what you're saying or concede that you're right. It's easier to just try and get the post taken down. Had you talked a bunch of untrue shit they'd already be here defending their product. Truth is it's better for them to just ignore it than draw attention to it


GreggoireLeOeuf

so you think any company with the name Canada in it should have to make it's product in Canada?


SomethingOriginal710

Not necessarily, but products where its implied by the name (Canadian ____) should be. If you were in the store and saw a package that said "Canadian Beef" and it had a Canadian flag on it, it is reasonable that most people would assume that its beef from Canada. Same is true for Canadian Spring Water, Canadian Apples, Canadian paper, Canada Goose Jackets, etc. So for a rolling paper to be called Canadian Lumber, many people assume its made in Canada. Look at this post, even. There are many people who bought it because they assumed it was made in Canada with Canadian Lumber and were dissapointed by the quality, and finding out that its not made in Canada.


GreggoireLeOeuf

>So for a rolling paper to be called Canadian Lumber, many people assume its made in Canada. do those same people think Canadian Tire only sells tires made in Canada? i don't assume ANYTHING is made in Canada. Not sure why you'd think rolling papers should be...


SomethingOriginal710

Canadian Tire likely DID sell primarily Canadian tires when they started lol. In the 20s when the two brothers bought Hamilton Tire and Garage, there were more than a dozen Canadian tire manufacturers in Canada, mainly Ontario. And still today there is Canadian manufacturing for Goodyear, Michelin, Bridgestone/Firestone, though like most big box retailers, much of it is made elsewhere. So while they are clearly not selling ONLY Canadian tires - and have evolved far from just a neighborhood garage and parts store - at least they actually do sell Canadian tires. Are there any other companys or products called "Canadian _____" that doesn't produce their stuff or are made in Canada? I can't think of any other ones.


GreggoireLeOeuf

The Real Canadian Superstore Canada Salvage Canada Computers Roots Canada


SomethingOriginal710

Real Canadian superstore is not really implied as a consumer good, though. It is a Canadian Superstore. Which it is. I've never heard of Canada Salvage. Looks like a one off mom and pop in Windsor that doesn't even have a website lol.. thats a deep cut. Canada computers, like Canada Salvage, doesn't necessarily IMPLY made in Canada though. Canada computers can just mean a place for computers in Canada. If they were named CANADIAN Computers (or Canadian Salvage) like Canadian Lumber, it would be far more heavily implied that they are selling Canadian computers or Canadian Salvage. And when Roots opened, they did primary manufacture all of their products in Canada. Thats why a lot of people aren't too happy with them, because they still have very high prices while producing their clothing abroad and still fully embracing the notion that they are all Canadian made. Although at least all of their leather stuff like bags, jackets, backpacks etc. are all manufactured by hand at their leather facility in Toronto. The Roots example is actually somewhat applicable here, because many people are upset about how Roots Canada no longer manufactures a good portion of their stuff in Canada like they used to, which is how they earned the reputation they have/had. That was sort of the big draw before. At least Roots does some of their stuff in Canada and their clothing is still of decent quality. Unlike Canadian Lumber, which has 0 manufacturing in Canada, and sells generic, mediocre made in China papers that they got off a custom paper website, and not even a great one. At least if the papers were decent they'd be adding some value, rather than flooding the market with garbage thats ostensibly made with Canadian lumber.


Quebecdudeeh

I knew long ago they were not. I remember week before legalization in Halifax, NS. They or someone from them was giving away packs of them. I questioned them as really I did not see a Canadian company suddenly being able to make Canadian made rolling papers. I was told oh only couple grand to start it. Right then I knew that was not right at all. Oh this is just a custom job. With what I know now. I look at if it was made by a a company in the EU or not. They have an entire standard to allow free movement of trade among the member countries. This means a very high standard to go by.


SomethingOriginal710

Yeah I mean, good on them for going for it I guess..despite my spite in the post, I do appreciate entrepreneurship. I just don't like how their entire image, even their name, is about CANADIAN LUMBER. When its just a couple guys with probably marketing and advertising background wanting to capitalize on legalization and the "made in canada" image, while flooding the market with mediocre crap. And I have only ever seen them go along with it when people comment on Instagram, though they may correct people sometimes. Indont follow every comment lol. Like if they had used a different company with higher standards and quality, I would not even really mind as much. I do find it annoying when people put out crap just so it can be *their* crap, but at least if it had a higher standard and quality, they're putting out something worthwhile. As it is there are literally 0 reasons to buy Canadian Lumber as a consumer of rolling papers. Unless you're like buddy who commented before and made a post against this one calling the mods, who doesn't mind paying a premium for a crappy product because some good ol Canucks decided to buy a bunch of generic, made in China rolling paper and call it a day there bud.


Quebecdudeeh

Totally agree with you. I know h I s los t h e cheep China ones go for on a custom run like theirs. Very easy profit when it costs you less then 3 dollars a box, or under 2 dollars. I actually do not get what his rant is over.


SomethingOriginal710

Its partly because this account is new, which i understand a bit, as a lot of people talk shit online anonymously. I made a new account recently because my main one has a lot of personal information and I get into a lot of comment threads. I've tried to make things private or hide comments but I was looking at moving last year and posted a lot of particulars in real estate and home owner threads and if someone was really determined, could probably figure out where I live based on threads asking about neigjbourhood safety, particular houses for sale, bidding wars etc. Someone actually messaged me the other day being like "hey man, sounds like you ended up moving to 123 Made Up lane. Congrats! I saw your comment on the other sub and my buddy was looking at the same one!". Fortunately hes really cool, I think... But it was quite a wake up call that I probably share too much online and am potentially putting my family in danger, since I'm pretty opinionated and the internet is a black hole of danger and mystery. This just happened to be the first post I made and I guess hes got some free stuff from them before and took it personally and thinks it's some nefarious plot against them or something. Nothing I have said is untrue, or slanderous, and clearly a lot of people agree. If I was bullshitting or personally naming people innthe company, thats one thing. I just find their products terrible and their misleading marketing distasteful, and think that no one should waste money on their stuff.


Quebecdudeeh

Definitely for sure. First posts in any subreddit can blow up. I had one blow up with over 2k upvotes about a paypal issue. You had valid points and nothing wrong with them. Some people think buying North American is everything. The thing is Canadian lumber is not Canadian made. made. There was no slander by you at all. They are cheaply made in china and of lower quality then you can get made in the EU. Being made in the European Union is about legit Set Standards of quality. It does not make them Fancy. They are legit a better quality paper in the EU by set standards what you will find.


OkStrategy685

There's a lot to be said for the veterans of the market. Zig zag blues for me always and forever. Green if I have to but they're kinda like vogue papers, too thick.


NotARealGeologist

Yes! I’ve dabbled in many other brands, but always come back to White Zigs.


OkStrategy685

My fingers are too fat for whites 🤣


GreggoireLeOeuf

put your fingers on a diet


SexBobomb

Im mostly an Elements guy but zig zags are classic and consistent


prawndavid

Elements for life.


SomethingOriginal710

Not a big fan and id go OCB slims, Rizzla blue or Smoking Deluxe before them, but they are definitely better than Canadian Lumber lol.


Leather-Advance-5799

Pure Hemp is also good


prawndavid

Really eh ...I love them.


SomethingOriginal710

Theyre not that bad, certainly worse options out there. But if you like thin, white "rice" papers, you won't be dissapointed and may even prefer one or all of those. But we all like what we like! Cool thing with papers is that they're pretty cheap. For $10 you can buy 3-5 packs of new papers and give them a whirl. Not the case with vaporizers or high end glass.


A_Level_2

To be fair I feel like people often stick to a few brands and no one is really interested in trying out the variety and subtleties of different rolling papers.


simpinforsirvelos

Not surprised. I grabbed them last year with my first OCS order at the start of covid and these are absolute garbage papers. Only bought them because I thought they were Canadian made. That’s a beyond misleading and scummy thing to do, then for the owner to get defensive about it tells everything.


SomethingOriginal710

Thats my main issue with them, and why I made this post. I would bet that a good chunk of their first time buyers buy because they think they're made in Canada. If the person knows anything about papers, they probably don't buy them again. I mean, even naming your company Canadian Lumber while importing literally every part of it from China is so typical of today's marketing lol.. like I'd be embarrassed to call my company CANADIAN LUMBER - which implies Canadian pulp and wood and manufacturing - when the only thing produced in Canada is probably the artwork and marketing. Imagine how absurd (and borderline unethical) it would be if something like Fiji Water was actually bottled tap water from Idaho lol.


Rance_Mulliniks

I met these guys at a trade show. Tried them out and was not very impressed and did not bring them into our stores.


Captainyellowleaves

If it doesn't say on the pack where it is made then are you assuming they're Chinese made our you've found out from elsewhere?


Anonemice

https://cdnlumber.ca/faq/ Scroll down to " ARE YOU MANUFACTURED IN CANADA? " " There is currently no rolling paper manufacturer in Canada. The only smokeable products made in Canada are cigarette tubes, which contain more chemicals than your daily newspaper. We tested countless products until we found the cleanest manufacturer possible. Next, we asked our top producers to customize pulp blends that result in top-quality, natural rolling papers. We settled with a great manufacturer in China that shares our values of allergen-free, natural products. We are very transparent about where our product comes from and are happy to talk through any and all questions at... "


Captainyellowleaves

This guy sources 👍


SomethingOriginal710

It says on the box (I think), but not the individual packages. They are 100% made in China, I've seen them say it somewhere as well when someone asked specifically as well. They make them through these guys, who copy tonnes of designs and shit from other brands. The descriptions and booklets are the same. For less than $5k, you, too, can have your own rolling paper brand! https://www.rollyourownpapers.com/collections/custom-rolling-papers/products/custom-printed-booklets-with-tips-in-magnetic-strip-enclosure?variant=32645419597901 As I said, if you like marketing and having a booklet on your table that has plaid, they're an option. But there's so many company's now just putting out the same generic mediocre crap and telling a captivating "brand story".


nathpenn

I forgot to mention the made in China part on the individual booklets use to be hidden up underneath the papers holding part. You kind of had to fold them a little to see the made in print. Super shady of course.


nathpenn

They use to 100% have made in China on the individual packaging. I was one of the original people to call them out about it on Instagram. I had a back and forth with the owner of the company in the DMs and it got pretty heated but they basically just market that they’re Canadian and when called out say “well we are a Canadian company. We are local Canadians.” But that’s not what I ever meant and still not the reason I hate this shady company. I hate that they use Canada as a crutch to sell their crappy papers. They’re no better than Tim Hortons at this point. I have found one decent rolling company called Hazo. Check them out.


Quebecdudeeh

They are made in china. you can get it inside the pack.


lukeCRASH

Jumping in without a source to support, but i do recall a story about them having shady origins.


Captainyellowleaves

Edit; removed, I replied to the wrong conversation I would imagine that since they really harp on the Canadian identity but purposely omit saying 'made in Canada' that they are indeed made elsewhere.


horthorj

I mean, pretty much all rolling papers are made in China or some other third world country. (France being an exception, they make a fair bit of rolling papers too) Just because a product is made in another country doesn't mean it can't be a Canadian-owned company.


SomethingOriginal710

Thats not true. In Europe or South America, its rare to find the China crap. Its mainly a North American thing since people are obsessed with branding and advertising and anyone can start their own paper brand these days, the minimum orders for chinese rolling papers with your own artwork is super low. France and Spain produce the best papers right now. Belgium has some good ones. There are a tonne of options of actual quality papers. The made in China stuff is crap and doesn't even have watermark. Its mediocre crap and there's much better papers that are chealer or the same price. The only reason to smoke made in China paper is if you don't have anything else or it was free. There is absolutely no reason to buy these crap off brands with cool packaging when for $2 you can buy an actual quality rolling paper. Canadian lumber is quite expensive for what it is, probably because they pay a big markup to the custom paper company, who also pay a markup to the factory in China. Also tonnes of people comment on their insta saying they love Canadian made papers and they like the comments and give the cute emoji responses. I agree that tonnes of crap is made in China these days, but its worse when companies feign otherwise. Roots is bad for this now as well, but at least their leather artisanal stuff is made in Canada. Bottom line is that there are 0 reasons to actually buy Canadian Lumber, or any other crappy papers for that matter. There are so many options available that are the same price or even cheaper that its just silly to do so.


horthorj

Fair enough. You've clearly looked into this more than me and I've never used this brand before.


SomethingOriginal710

Well youre not missing much! Lol.


nathpenn

He did his homework.


sayerofstuffs

You got some anger towards them huh….


SomethingOriginal710

I dont like deceptive marketing or shitty papers claiming to be the best lol. They're mediocre, made in China crap with good marketing.


landlordmint

Fumes. Made locally here in Halifax


nathpenn

They 100% are not made in Halifax. They may be distributed from Halifax but they are Chinese papers put in Chinese packaging. Always have been. The owners are Nova Scotians sure, but that doesn’t mean they can trick people into their shady marketing techniques to sell crappy papers. Most people I see that rep them only do it cause they got the papers for free. Lol


Quebecdudeeh

That is an absolute lie. The Rolling papers are definitely not made in Halifax. They are a brand based out of Halifax. that is it.


landlordmint

Could be, I’m only going off what the guy at my local store told me


Quebecdudeeh

He gave you misinformation. They are cheaply made in China. They are just a brand owned by a couple guys in Halifax. They are a customer of a rolling paper company. They do not even manufacture it on their own.


landlordmint

Oh wow thanks for the info


Quebecdudeeh

Np, Any person can create a Rolling paper brand. It is actually not that hard. I would choose a EU manufacturer due to the strict guidelines of the EU. There are actually other Canadian brands out there like [https://en.kebpapier.ca/](https://en.kebpapier.ca/) they are made in France. Kinda of on pricier side. However they exist. This company in Athens makes customer jobs and would be under the EU guidelines [https://rollingfactory.com/](https://rollingfactory.com/) Problem with Chinese made papers. You really need to find who is good and bad. If you look up Hornet, they were known years ago for faking the country of origin and having toxic glue.


eatyourveggieskidss

Elements are forever my fave. And raw tips (from the booklet, not the pre-rolled tips)


julienrbaker

appreciate this post! i bought some of the greens, as my headshop in hamilton and my local b&m both carried them and touted the canadian aspect. wasn’t particularly compelled by the quality but hemp papers generally are hit or miss, didn’t know what to make of it. been on a little rolling paper journey myself, bought some zigs, rizla, elements and raws in various sizes (mostly king size slim ultra thins) to see what i like best. would love to hear what you do vouch for


SomethingOriginal710

Rizzla are good papers, you'll enjoy those. Zig Zag is introducing some quality stuff too with their hemp line, and even the Zig Zag white cut corners I smoked exclusively in highschool are consistently quality (though I can do without the yellow glue and thicker paper lol). IMO Raws are fairly mediocre paper and don't stick that well, im not a huge fan. But they are hands down the best marketing company in the game right now, and are really innovative. Ok paper and you can find them everywhere but far from my first choice. You can't go wrong really with OCB, Rizzla or the Smoking brand, and most of the Zig Zag line. Smoking Organic Hemp is pretty close to the perfect paper, at least for me. Organic hemp, sticks well, great weight, made in Spain. Smoking brown is amazing too. I also really like the OCB Slim, that was my goto for a long time.


julienrbaker

thank you so much for such an in depth response. definitely gotta get on the OCB and the organic hemp stuff. i appreciate your knowledge <3


SomethingOriginal710

Have fun! I love rolling papers (in case you couldn't tell lol) and enjoy sharing with others. Papers are a relatively cheap way to enjoy some high quality bud and good papers make all the difference.


bongafied

I bought a pack of these one time, knew right away they were absolute shit, people still dick ride the brand for w.e reason though, when they suck shit and dont roll or burn well at all, id rather use old guy exports or waterproof zags in the green pack, thats how bad they are.


SomethingOriginal710

Honestly id prefer Exports or Players over them too, and they are pretty far down the line of papers id use lol.


GoreyHaim420

Good looking out; especially in this economic climate where people are really trying to support local economy, it's scummy to use "Canadiana" as a marketing ploy.


SomethingOriginal710

Yeah I find it pretty distasteful, especially considering how many people in this thread alone bought because they assumed it was made from... Canadian lumber lol.


CDClock

i just finished a pack but i didnt mind them honestly. burned well. def wouldnt smoke players or exports over them lol


WeedRichards

They supported the Cannabis Substitution Project with free papers, so they're ok with me for doing that.


SomethingOriginal710

Thats cool. Im sure they're good peeps. The product is made in China garbage that all but says its made in Canada, but I'm glad they support good initiatives.


WeedRichards

They wouldn't be my first choice for papers. I'm just mentioning they've done some nice things.


FluSH31

I know they’re not the best papers, and mediocre at best, but you know what else is mediocre if not absolute Garbage. Tim Horton’s They’re not even Canadian anymore. I will continue to support these guys and keep dollars and cents in our economy even if the papers are mediocre. We have this mentality in Canada where we bash everything that’s Canadian and mediocre instead of supporting it... from the CFL to MLS, to any other product that’s out there. Why? Americans support absolute shite but they support their own.


sob317

Not really following you... we should support shitty products and not call out mediocrity just because they are Canadian? That sounds like the perfect recipe for creating more mediocre products to bitch about.


FluSH31

The product is not shitty, let’s agree on that. When you support your own you keep the Money in the economy, you invest in our communities, maybe the company will be able to expand and grow. You can give feedback and still support a Canadian company. That’s what people don’t understand. Instead they shit on the efforts of a Canadian company just because it’s not the absolute best out there. Provide feedback and support. We can do both. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.


sob317

You called them mediocre at best yourself in your post which is defined as "of only moderate quality; not very good." Sticking some Canadian imagery on a bunch of average quality made in China items doesn't really make me want to support them just because of that.


FluSH31

Ok, I learned that mediocre is not average! Did not know the definition actually said not very good.


SomethingOriginal710

Do you work for these guys or are friends with them or something? I dont understand the desire to defend a sub par product that misleads consumers into thinking its made in Canada. I legit know several people who have bought them thinking they are made in Canada lol. If they were a good product or what I was saying wasn't true, id understand your indignation and wanting to get my post taken down. I havent slandered them or lied about anything and several people here have corroborated what I've said. I'm just sick of seeing misleading advertising. You could throw a dart at a wall of rolling papers and there's like a 90% you'd land on a better paper.. even if they said Canadian OWNED on their posts and didn't hide their origin, instead of dancing the line with vague taglines and stuff, I wouldn't have an issue, really. It doesn't even say where its made on the booklets. How is that good for consumers?


Quebecdudeeh

Keep what money? These guys bought cheap ass low quality papers they could have gone to a solid EU manufacturer who has specific standards. This is just a couple of guys buying cheap crap from china to make an easy profit off. They are selling these boxes for 42 bucks a pop on their website and these literally cost them a hell of lot less then that. Literally in the 2 dollar range per box. They could have spent a few bucks more for better quality.


SomethingOriginal710

Lol, I agree with you totally about Tim Hortons. I avoid them at all costs, for the most part. I also like supporting Canadians and Canadian products, but the quality has to be at least passable. Cdn Lumber are honestly just really bad. They're worse than like 70% of the papers on the shelf that you'd find at a headshop or a dispensary, and on par with the other 30% of really mediocre, poor quality papers that are probably made in the same few factories. And there's so many times on their socials when people talk about how they are so happy to finally support a Canadian made rolling paper and they like the comment and do the flurry of 👍🌲🌲💪🍁. Not a fan of that. FYI when you buy any papers in Canada, you are still supporting Canadians for the majority of the commerce journey lol.. Canadian companies that are distributors who import their papers (like Cdn Lumber does), wholesalers, retailers, etc. and its mainly going into the Canadian economy, supporting canadian business, employees, etc. Cdn Lumber are not much different than any other importers in Canada, besides them branding the papers in a Canadian way and being based in Canada, which there are a lot of. Until someone makes an ACTUAL rolling paper in Canada, they're all pretty much on the same level and supporting Canadians indirectly.


FluSH31

Listen, when you post with your main account I will respond. Otherwise to me you have a personal vendetta against these guys and I’m not cool with that. You can provide feedback and still support our own! 🇨🇦


SomethingOriginal710

You can buy and support them all you like. Its a mediocre product that is misleading in its marketing and they have never corrected anyone when they say they are supporting papers made in Canada. Thats not cool. If they were a better paper, that'd be different and I'd give it some more leeway. I also don't buy in to nationalism as a marketing tool when its not even a Canadian product lol. The guys seem cool on their insta, and like I said, the marketing is stellar. Theres just no reason to buy mediocre garbage, and if the only reason is because they're Canadian, well, thats your prerogative as a consumer and I appreciate that, honestly..its just not for me.


nathpenn

He literally did. He alike many others have pointed out that they love to gather this unmentioned attraction that their papers are made in Canada. When they aren’t and it’s all just a marketing gimmick to sell crappy Chinese papers that anyone could order and custom the box. But hey, I’m sure you enjoy your East Coast Lifestyle and continue to support “Canadian made” products. Good on ya.


FluSH31

Would love to live in the East Coast!


Tachead7075

Why? I hate to say it but, it is because Canadian products suck for the most part and are almost always pricier and/or inferior in quality and/or design to the US and EU options/competition. I have tried many Canadian Made products for various unrelated hobbies and I am almost always let down and end up going back to US and EU products. Manufacturing is just not one of Canada's strengths I guess...


Every_Satisfaction27

If the weed is good enough, it doesn't matter.


SomethingOriginal710

Good bud is the #1 factor - I've smoked Bible paper before lol - but with so many options out there, there are zero reasons to buy Cdn Lumber made in China garbage. You can absolutely tell when the papers are good, though. It makes a difference and enhances the experience.