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Gray Hughes latest video.

Gray Hughes latest video.

TravTheScumbag

What Gray says is factual. And by that, I mean it's true that he did indeed speak to SOMEONE who CLAIMS they spoke to Anna Williams, and Anna told that person what Gray reports. That happened. But the question is did that person REALLY speak to Anna, and how accurate was that relayed to Gray? You know how the game of "telephone," goes....


Obvious_Inspector_65

Good point. Yeah it's why I just don't buy into what he says.


TravTheScumbag

I think it is strange that he is relying on a friend of Anna's to give him the info, when he has a good relationship with Becky and Mike Patty. Why not just ask them if it is accurate? Maybe doesn't want to risk ruining that relationship he has? Idk.


Reason-Status

this is a recap of what was said by Gray on his most recent show: Abby's shirt is the dark flash that comes into the left side of the screen (we knew that already) Abby looks up at Libby and says: "he's right behind me, isn't he?" Libby says: "uh huh" as in yes After this, the girls hustle to the other end of the bridge and the girls are discussing which way to go (to get away from him)...something about there are two different ways. Abby then says: "is that a gun?" BG says: "hey" Libby say: "mmm" as in what do you want? BG say" "down the hill" then the gun cocks Grays source said the video made her sick...said that BG was emotionless. The audio released has been enhanced...source said BG sounds worse on the actual video. The source said the police wonder if the girls had spoken to BG on the way to the bridge on the trail The source who watched the video thought they could pick out a grey beard Gray Hughes said that he could not say some of what his source told him (although he said his source was a "she")...not sure why he couldn't say some of it That is the gist of the information he provided.


Obvious_Inspector_65

I wonder how they are able to see the beard but in the video released it doesn't seem visible.


Reason-Status

I was wondering that too… the source didn’t elaborate much. Would have to be a goatee I would think. Gray Hughes thought the source was very credible.


keithitreal

Yeah that sounds like bullshit doesn't it? If they've got clearer video showing his face they'd release all of it. Fact is, we've seen all there is of the video. I'm certain there's more audio but it's likely very unsavory and I can see why they'd withhold it unless there's something truly identifiable on there.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Right! I can't make out a beard at all!


Reason-Status

agree that I do not see a beard, but who knows what else is on that video/audio. We are not seeing or hearing the entire thing.


CoughCoolCoolCool

Where does the “guys” come in?


Reason-Status

I am assuming when he says “Hey” then “Guys”


No-Reason-1185

Then why doesn't LE release the "Hey" audio?


Reason-Status

no clue... the whole video/audio up until they go down the hill should be released.


No-Reason-1185

Well, I think Lance pulled the “Hey” revelation right out of his ass. Let's see the actual email that he claims he received because I'm calling bullshit.


Reason-Status

I do believe him… his true crime reputation is on the line with some of this info. He never says that it is 100% accurate, but he does acknowledge the sources credibility.


No-Reason-1185

Lance says his email source knew that there was a second YBG sketch before the YBG sketch was released. Except Lance never mentioned it until long after the YBG sketch was released. That's the only so-called evidence of the emailer’s credibility. Lance has a shitty true crime reputation. It can't get much worse.


Ampleforth84

Thank you for that! Usually, I just want the gist of any “new” information. If that’s accurate, they really should release the rest of it.


No-Reason-1185

So far, LE has only released "Guys... down the hill." If Lance G. Hughes' information is accurate, why doesn't LE release the audio of BG saying "Hey"? And when did BG say "Guys"?


PersonaOfEvil

Not all heroes wear capes.


Luna5577

He’s a story maker and not a good one.


Modru2u

I can't get into watching his videos to be honest. He may share some good things hidden in his videos. I just can't watch them. He uses stupid voices that are obnoxious. His characters and skits really turn me off. If he really wants to add some humor to the horrible topics he talks about maybe he needs to watch some videos from That Chapter. Now that guy knows how to distract you with humor but still be respectful in telling you the story of what's happened or hasn't happened. Just my 2 cents, hopefully someone more experienced in Gray Hughes can be more informative. EDIT: I will give him props for mentioning Summer Wells. Summer Moon-Utah Wells 5 years Old. Missing from Rogersville, TN. This is 25 minutes from me. She has been missing for about 6 days now.


Radiogaga37

I think the creepy goblin and the spooky music are in very poor taste considering the subject matter but it appears the patty family has told him alot of what they know so it can occasionally be worth a listen


Obvious_Inspector_65

I had not heard of the missing girl. I really hope she is found safe. So sad.


Modru2u

Me too.


Ill_Lunch9221

I was thinking of her the other day. I didn't realize they still hadn't found her. Praying she is ok.


Modru2u

I'm still waiting on an update. I checked last night. I'll check again and do an edit if I find anything.


Ill_Lunch9221

Thanks. I'm going to check up on the latest. Six days is a long time. I pray she's ok.


Obvious_Inspector_65

I will have to look into the case I hadn't heard of it before today. Six days is very long but other missing children had been gone for longer and were found. A couple of years ago Jayme Kloss was gone for three months and escaped so I still have hope for this little girl.


Ill_Lunch9221

I pray you're right. The mother had started to file or did file an EPO or DVO because she was afraid for her kids and herself. Also, I found out another child has been missing from there. Things just don't sound right.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Oh no. That is terrible. It sounds like she was afraid of the children's father or a former partner of hers.


Rhondie41

I will also give him props for mentioning my classmates murder, which is still not solved. Deanna Cremin, 17 years old from Somerville, MA. 1995. 🍀🍀🍀


FundiesAreFreaks

Speaking of Massachusettes, did you see there's a new suspect in the murder of Molly Bish!? The new guy looks like that sketch made all those years ago, hope it's finally solved!


Standard-Marzipan571

Yes! I have mentioned the similarities in this case to Delphi. He sure does resemble the sketch. Did you see the comparison to how he was holding his cigarette? Chilling stuff.


SharonMcHenryPower

She was a beautiful young lady with her whole life ahead of her. A tragic loss for her family. I’ve read numerous articles on her death and I cannot believe the case is not solved. If I recall correctly, her boyfriend seemed very strange in his statements and gave the impression of being dishonest about his evening with her. Is this right?


Rhondie41

Hi, Yes. Tommy would walk Deanna home every night if they were together. Except the night of her murder, Tommy claimed to have only walked her "half way home". Never made sense. He pled the 5th & left state for awhile. He is back in Massachusetts, living a very lonely & miserable life. There's still an active reward. I wonder if things will ever change at this point. There were a couple other suspects. They never made sense.


SharonMcHenryPower

Hi! Nice to meet you! I’m wondering if LE thoroughly investigated him? His claims are so suspicious. On this one night of Deanna’s murder, he suddenly decided to break with tradition and only walk her half way home…so he says. Then he pled the 5th??! It does not sound like Tommy was investigated with a fine tooth comb, so to speak. Is this the feeling you have and her family? Did you know him?


Modru2u

Sorry to hear about your classmate. I hope she gets justice.


Rhondie41

Thank you. So do we hun. It's been 26 grueling years for her family, who has suffered extreme losses after Dee's murder. Just sad. I pray Libby & Abby's family & friends don't have to wait this long.


Psychological_You353

It’s like extracting teeth, I just can’t do it ,he is ridiculous insulting ahole


Modru2u

Yes, Yes he is.


Psychological_You353

Lol, I have tried so many times an every time iam like 2 mins in an iam like shut the fuck up 🤦‍♀️


Modru2u

Haha


Anothermomento

I would like to hear some new information but would mot trust it coming from Gray, I am unable to watch his videos for more than a few seconds because he reminds me of narcissistic people I avoid. Therefore I assume he lies as much as they do to appear important


yeyjordan

I am skeptical of anyone who makes monetized videos. To make that revenue, you need a big draw, such as insider info - and it's a little too easy for anybody to have "no source named" info.


Primary_Bat_3930

He seems to treat a lot of people like they are stupid which just drives me bonkers. He does seem to do his research well, but watching his program is like having a tooth pulled (without numbing)!


tobor_rm

I don't mind his condescending demeanor. My issue with him is that he's nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is. It's actually comical. I don't know if his time is just too divided amongst all the cases he covers and ufo and psychic stuff (yeah I know he claims he doesn't do those but I've seen video titles where he borderline entertains them which lets you know he's all about the clicks) but his takes on the Delphi murders is so basic but he acts like he's all next level. One of these days I'm gonna call in and call him out on how basic he is. Its actually hilarious that he thinks hes so clever. And my fucking lord why on earth does he try to rap. How utterly cringe.


SomeonecatchBG

Tobor- I agree about him not being as smart as he thinks. Trying to sound smart and calling others stupid doesn’t actually mean you’re smart.


tobor_rm

Exactly. There are a lot of people who are good at extracting information from family, LE, etc. Really with him having a presence early on in this case, I'm sure a lot of that is people coming to him with info, not so much him having exceptional sleuthing skills necessarily. But what is he doing with that info necessarily? I agree he's much more even keeled and keeps his wits about him (ie he doesn't take it to 10 with the sensationalism that's seen out there sometimes with this case.) But honestly he just has a very basic take on things. He alludes to "having more information than he shares" on Delphi (a very common claim in the True Crime community which is a bit of a meme at this point.) I question that because there's a way he can sort of convey those things without conveying them if you know what I mean. I don't see much of that on his end.


Primary_Bat_3930

Totally cringe worthy.


keithitreal

He thinks he's Sherlock Holmes and he's more Frank Drebbin.


SomeonecatchBG

Hey!! It’s Enrico Pallazzo


No_Solution965

do it and take him head on if he goes lebanese at you.


mycoworkerisawful

I think he does get insider info. Unfortunately, I will never know what it is as I can't stand to listen to 3 hours of him bullying and berating people. Did he say what the insider info was OP? I would really appreciate it if the people that do watch his videos could relay the important points to the rest of us :)


MaybeSherlock

All he said was stuff he leaked before. About Abby commenting on BG having a gun, Libby saying mhhm, and the gun being cocked. He talked about how the person who saw it said he was cold and emotionless. Then he kept reading the email the person sent and proceeds to say that there is stuff hey wrote him that he ‘can’t share’. He says the person said the audio stops after that btw, the gun coming out and then the audio stops. But I tend to think just because that person said that’s where the audio ends, that’s not the end. Maybe that person only knows a little, but I think the entire audio was played for Abby’s mom and Libby’s grandparents. And I don’t think any of those three would ever utter a word.


FruitbatLofrus

Can you really hear a gun being cocked if the phone is in Libby's pocket?


MaybeSherlock

It wasn’t in Libby’s pocket then supposedly. I didn’t see it, I’m just the messenger, don’t attack me ):


OnlyManagement2883

Gray said that when the sound of the gun being cocked was heard, LE told Anna that is what was heard. The girls did discuss possible exit strategies before he came up on them. Had to be difficult for the parents to see and hear.


MaybeSherlock

He’s said all of this before, but yes, you’re right that was also said! (:


mycoworkerisawful

Thank you! Yes I have heard this before. I tend to believe the audio does stop after then (or that you can’t hear anything tangible from that point onwards).


MaybeSherlock

How else could Kelsi have known ‘Abby was a hero’..


SomeonecatchBG

Good point maybe Sherlock I mean if there is more video or audio it probably isn’t stuff they would want the family to see/hear. I’m assuming if the murders are on there that it’s possible LE would say they aren’t?? Maybe I’m wrong


OnlyManagement2883

the LE officer who recently retired, Sgt. Riley, stated early on there is a lot of audio and what we will never hear, nor will the families, is the audio of their last minutes..he referred to it as something nightmares are made of. LE has been bashed endlessly for the way this case has been handled but cut them a break. They have seen what BG did to them, they heard the complete audio, they had to face the families and be as careful and considerate as possible under the circumstances. The LE officers on scene have a mental image that can't be erased. It has to wear you down and break you. They want this crime solved more than we do. And when it is solved they will still have trouble sleeping. Rest in peace Abby and Libby.


Hot_Karl_Rove

Personally I don't feel they deserve a break just because they've seen and/or heard how the crime played out. I understand it's probably traumatic, but if something like that wears you down and breaks you, you're in the wrong profession.


SomeonecatchBG

Onlym- interesting...Is there a link to that interview?


OnlyManagement2883

I don't have the link, and it wasn't an interview...google Gray Hughes you tube and select video dated 6-20-2021.


whimsypooh

I can think of at least a couple things that would lead investigators to believe Abby had the opportunity the escape but did not run. However, I think that, regardless of what Kelsi has been told by LE, she may just be grateful that her sister didn't suffer alone. (That's not to say that she is glad Abby suffered as well, obviously.)


OnlyManagement2883

where did you hear this comment from Kelsi


MaybeSherlock

Direct quote from DTH podcast episode 4


OnlyManagement2883

he said he had an exchange with someone who knows Anna...Anna was shown more of the video...basically BG comes up on the girls, Abby says is that a gun? OMG its a gun...then you hear the gun cock and he says hey guys down the hill...he said there was more but he didn't want to read it


Obvious_Inspector_65

Yeah he said the guy had a gun but did not use it to kill the girls. I guess that makes sense since nobody reported hearing gunshots. I still just don't know if I buy his insider info.


keithitreal

That's logical. I've always felt bg used a gun for coercion and likely a knife for the murders. I don't think Hughes little tidbit there sheds any new light on anything.


Obvious_Inspector_65

I agree. Yeah he doesn't have ground shattering news lol.


mycoworkerisawful

Thank you!


sonarlogic

I’ve tried to watch and enjoy GH so many times but the aggression and constant whining about why he doesn’t have more subs gets me every time. For an obviously smart guy, I’m staggered by the fact that he can’t see that his behaviour turns people away and his refusal to modify it in anyway is the cause of the consistently low subs Only time he is pleasant to his audience is when they’re kissing his ass .Having said that, he knows his stuff


Ill_Lunch9221

I don't think Gray has any inside information. The family may like him, but that's the only ones. He's flat out rude to people. I don't watch him.


fivecharlie

I’m not sure the point in this GH, you phone in and comment on scenarios and he sighs and seems as if he can’t be a**ed listening. Then you mention a POI and he gets on his high horse, in real life you wouldn’t give this miserable old man the time of day. I’d rather watch paint dry, and someone with manners and a zest for life.


Ampleforth84

Lol


legendaryjaxson

I call bullshit.. very few people have seen and heard the full video.. and the ones that did wouldn't tell him not anyone else


Obvious_Inspector_65

Yeah that's why I don't buy into what he says.


RphWrites

Especially since they know he'd tell everyone. I said it in another comment: if information is being leaked then it's either because it's not true, not important, or because LE *wants* it out there.


blondie1975-

His videos are waaaaaay too long and drug out. I scroll down to the comments to get a quick summary of what he says.


Ill_Lunch9221

YouTube pays more for longer videos. Most are so long I don't listen to the entire video


PersonaOfEvil

If Gray Hughes could just learn to either turn off the comments or not look at the comments on his stream and get to the point that would be great. Dude gets baited so easily into responding to every comment he sees as dumb and I find it more obnoxious than the original comment made. If you want to get information out then just do a pre recorded video. And if you want your precious superchats then just give the information on livestream and don’t look at chat for like 5 minutes.


winterflower_12

Exactly. I think he has good info, but I don't have the patience for the dickering with trolls.


Ill_Lunch9221

GH brings too many other things in his videos. I don't watch him anymore.


peterpepper101

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


CarMajor9124

He doesn’t have facts . He can’t back what he says. He is a crazy obsessed narcissist in my opinion, he literally stated in that YT video that he’s done more for the investigation than anyone else. How sick of a human can you be that you feel empowered to brag abt these girls murders. I’m sure LE is not supportive of GH as he portrays


tobor_rm

Gray Hughes is what Ambien takes when it cant go to sleep.


Primary_Bat_3930

Now, that's funny.


Lmf2359

🤣


CarMajor9124

😂😂 best describes him


CarMajor9124

I think when GH looks in the mirror he see’s himself as the male version of Nancy Grace 🥴 lolololol


Modru2u

I can't stand that woman.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Most people with ears can't lol. She is so shrill.


Modru2u

Shrill nails it.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Yeah I saw where he said he is the only channel that does anything to help anyone lol. Such an ego. I'm not a fan but watch to see what information comes up.


Kayki7

He’s very narcissistic. I stopped watching him years ago becuase all he did was insult his viewers and call them stupid for asking “stupid” questions.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Yeah insulting your audience is the worst thing you can do. I can't believe people donate to him!


Rhondie41

I agree. I was subbed to him however I couldn't stand by listening to him insult callers who are just calling in to give their opinions on the case. He INVITES them to call in too. It's mind blowing that the family has trust in this man.


CarMajor9124

It’s awful. He will tell people to call in and give their theory just so he can laugh at them and call them idiots for having an idea outside his small pea sized brain box. He contradicts himself so much people don’t even notice.


Total_Armadillo_7183

Oh god. That’s awful:(


CarMajor9124

In my honest opinion GH and his nasty attitude and the way he name calls and verbally abuses every person he speaks at , would be something neither Libby or Abby would consider to be a great man or person. In life I don’t think GH is someone neither girl would be proud of. I would never believe these sweet little girls would want someone as mean & nasty as GH or as mentally fked up as Greeno podcasting their story. Unfortunately the craziest people will always make sure they get the spot light under someone else’s electric bill


Obvious_Inspector_65

Yeah that's why I am surprised Kelsi seems to like him. He is not a very nice man.


No-Excuse5186

Pretty sure I read he bought her computer/electronic stuff for her first podcast, kinda mentored her etc.


FundiesAreFreaks

Yeah, GH "bought" Kelsi electronic equipment with OTHER people's money in the form of donations!


ATrueLady

I think he buttered her up. He would never talk to Kelsi the way he talks to his callers. If he thinks spoke to someone who saw the whole video/audio and gave him inside info he’s being trolled.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Do you think he is only nice to her so he can get information and have her on the show? I'm sure he gets more viewers when he announces she will be on the show.


ATrueLady

Of course. 100% because before this case he wasn’t that well known, his connection to her had increased his public visibility tenfold. If she were someone calling in to his show he’d treat her just the same as he treats everyone else. He’s using her.


Obvious_Inspector_65

I agree. He is different with her than he is to everyone else.


OnlyManagement2883

Kelsi mentioned on her last visit with him that she is thinking about interviewing her dad. Gray foamed at the mouth because he wants that interview on his channel...I could care less what her dad says, too little too late. A really great interview with her dad wouldn't center around phone logs to prove what time she dropped off the girls, what time he arrived at the trail, etc. It would be great if viewers could ask questions, i.e. "were you warned that harm would be done"? what was your relationship with GK. But I am sure those questions would not be answered.


mycoworkerisawful

I can’t stand Gray Hughes. The way he speaks to people is vile. But in the families defence, I think one of the reasons they use him as their main mouth piece on YouTube is because they know if they give him an interview he will shut any horrible commentators down quickly. After years of people attacking them, asking them if libby was sexually assaulted, accusing them of being involved, it doesnt surprise me they dont have the energy to deal with that any more and it would be a relief to have someone fighting their corner. I think its a bit tasteless speculating what the girls would want. None of us knew the girls. I have nothing but admiration for the family who are doing their best in a situation that none of us (hopefully) will ever have to experience.


Rhondie41

Well. My apologies if it comes off tasteless. I'm sure Kelsi has heard his videos. So maybe she feels a certain way. Like he's a mentor.


Rhondie41

I couldn't agree more with your comment. You're so right about the crazies coming out in this case. I feel Libby & Abby would be bummed that the family is taking to GH so much so that Kelsi trusts him. I could never. He's a bona-fide jerk. Derek Godsey is another weird one. Making dozens of YouTube accounts, constantly trying to get into the FB groups. That is a crazy one. I feel like GH & Greeno are a little touched with NPD. Greeno would've been great, had he not had a record a 1/2 mile long but the grandiose liar that he's become. The only guys I follow regarding the case at this point on YouTube is Hoosier Cold Cases. I like his style. Also I do love True Crime Jesus. He used to have way more about the case on his channel but for whatever reason, deleted a bunch. I admire his videos & appreciate the amount of time he's worked on this case, without becoming a nutbag. His voice is dreamy to me too. I also adore John Kelly, the criminal profiler. Thanks for letting me rant for a bit.


CarMajor9124

Tbh greeno is very suspicious… I think it’s very odd that he has bragged about LE taking his phone and keeping it . Then proceeds to tell people he thinks it’s bc BG has been contacting him through his YT. Suddenly his views sky rocket more bc he has people convinced BG watches him on YT. But this is the same man who threatened to kill the hospitals staffs family and has a record of deceiving people . If anything bg hasn’t contacted AG bc of his YT channel, it would be more likely Bc he is friends bG and ya know what they say birds of a feather flock together. Mr intrusive greeno made himself apart of the investigation before the girls were even found, as he secretly showed up in Carroll county the day before without anyone knowing not even his lovely sister JG who made a fb post asking for anyone to contact family bc he hadn’t been heard from and couldn’t be found 2/12/17…


Rhondie41

Whoa!!! Wow!!! That is very strange. I can't grasp why AG would want to fully involve himself into this. Only just to pump up his channel. I'm sure BG has looked at Greeno's videos but I'm sure he watches a lot of other creators too. Especially LE, which Greeno is NOT. I had been watching him for a couple years because at one point he was all that was out there. When he started saying he went to the wakes of the girls. Now he's related to one of them some how? Very twisted.


CarMajor9124

He is a funny moving creature


Ill_Lunch9221

He isn't directly related to them. One of his kid's mother is related to them. Since he isn't married to her, he wouldn't be related to them.


Rhondie41

Well. Sure sounds like they'll be married soon.


Ill_Lunch9221

I don't think that's the girl he's engaged to.


Rhondie41

No? So a previous girl? He lies like a rug so much it's hard to believe anything he says.


Obvious_Inspector_65

This is just speculation but one time I heard Greeno talking and he sounded a lot like BG. Very creepy.


Lostlobster8

You knew libby and abby?


Rhondie41

Did you? Smart-ass


Lostlobster8

Smartass? You said > I feel Libby & Abby would be bummed that the family is talking to GH so much so that Kelsi trusts him. I could never. Your statement comes off as "the family disappoints Abby and Libby with their actions. " And that you know better than Kelsi on who to trust. Why even include that statement? So I asked if you knew them because I didn't think some internet stranger would think they had more insight into the feelings of Abby and Libby. I was wondering why you, if you were an internet stranger, would judge the families actions. We don't know what Abby and Libby would feel on what the family does. We do not/would not know better than the family on anything. Heck, we wouldn't know about the case without actions of the families, and without them getting word out (talking to media and youtubers)..BUT I would think Abby and Libby are PROUD of the work the family of into solving their murder. The family has put helping the girls above everything. They have had every day for four years watched and scrutinized by strangers- hoping it helps solve the murder. They have been judged, questioned, and blamed throughout these last few years. What would you think if a family member saw your post? You think they really deserve to see another post condemning their actions? Maybe you didn't mean it like that but the family is tormented enough without every action scrutinized AND JUDGED by us.


mosluggo

“Weird” is the last word i would use to describe that psychopath. He shouldnt even be mentioned imo


mosluggo

Well said, and good points


Redditsucks742

You’re wrong


No-Reason-1185

If Lance G. Hughes really received an email, why doesn't he display it on his show? It seems fishy that Lance alludes to it, but won't show it. Lance has no problem sharing his screen for everything else.


Traditional-Ad-2606

I have a hard time listening to GH because I don’t care for his arrogance


Ill_Lunch9221

Same here. He's so rude I don't listen to him.


Dannoflanno

His shows are long and he can be rude to his listeners, however I find him credible and he provides interesting insights into the case. I don't think he ebelishes or provides information that is fake.


allisonmary81

Until LE says anything, I don’t believe it


RphWrites

I take it all with a grain of salt. He may very well have access to insider information but there's no way of knowing if the 'insiders' information is legit or not.


LORDOFTHEFATCHICKS

He's a charlatan.


BrianWagner80

Definitely a strange bird


mccirish

Pretty sure he suffers from small mans disease.


BrianWagner80

Lol, I tried once to listen to him but could only handle 5 minutes of his crying about the comments.


BullyBillows

His sources are all family-originated and he can’t think his way out of a wet paper bag. He massages those sources and he gets the same type of info all the time. I was told he’s kissing up to the authorities trying to get any tidbit from them. He also laments the interest in this case as he’d like to cover other things. His (lack of) critical thinking skills will always be a problem.


mccirish

I’ve tried to listen to him, he does have great videos. However, he really has no objective to his podcast it is lacks flow and is chaotic.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Yeah I wish he wouldn't read the chat. It would make the show much better.


Ampleforth84

I think he’s good for it. He can be an ass but he doesn’t seem to just make shit up ever.


cdjohnny

I'm consistently timed-out when I join his live streams for one reason or another. It has become a badge of honor for me. He has some good video's and analysis of the timeline. He's also rude and condescending. I don't think he would lie though.


Reason-Status

Honestly, I would say Gray is the best source out there for information on the case. Like most of us, he doesn't have LE level knowledge, but he has enough exposure to get connections that most of us cannot get. His ego doesn't bother me, as he is only combative with people who seem to be trolls, etc..


716um

I agree. Most people are babies


Ampleforth84

They actually love the trolls imo. It gives them a common enemy to feel superior to for him and his group. But I agree information-wise he’s my go-to in this case and he doesn’t bother me personally.


Crime_boner

Gotta admit, I've seen very little of his stuff. Usually just the beginning and I've only heard facts. I fast forwarded to calls once and I had zero problems with him calling out a moron for a moron theory. Maybe I got lucky


Obvious_Inspector_65

Well if he did it every so often it would be fine. But he constantly reads the chat and gets distracted from the topic of the show. It is annoying when you are really interested in the case and he stops everything to start yelling at someone.


No-Reason-1185

Very few outsiders can survive in that chat. First, there is a gauntlet of 50+ intolerant groupies who are moderating the chat. Second, there is thin-skinned Lance. If you are an outsider non-groupie and ultra-sensitive Lance doesn't like your comment (that's almost a guarantee), you will be immediately banned. No matter how careful you are, it's almost impossible for an outsider NOT to be banned after three or four comments. So during each show, usually all outsiders are banned from the chat or bullied into silence about an hour into the show. That's when Lance will start to turn on his own groupies. For example, if his groupies aren't giving him sufficient attention and are not chatting about his boring topic, he will start ripping on them. If he recently saw one of his groupies on another Youtuber's site, he will rip that groupie a new one and then toss her from the club. It's all very awkward, and I think the best part of his shows!


Obvious_Inspector_65

Yeah he is really nitpicky. I saw him get mad because people were saying hi to each other in chat lol.


No-Reason-1185

He does about every other show. He sometimes goes silent and waits for them to pay attention to him. The more he treats his cult members like shit, the more they donate and try to please him. It's truly an odd situation.


Obvious_Inspector_65

I don't understand it. It's like they are desperate for his approval.


Ampleforth84

I’ve never seen that but would like to.