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Corruption

Sophie4646

I think if BG has some influential family or friends in Delphi that have political pull then there could definitely be corruption. I think this is often the case in rural areas and I know a few cases that it resulted in guilty people getting away with murder. I think some people in Delphi are afraid of some of the people who do not want BG to be found guilty for whatever reasons.


Modru2u

Very interesting thank you for your input.


ChickadeeMass

We don't know what triggered the explosion of murderous rage that was unleashed onto these two young girls. But enough facts and enough witnesses tells a tale even without every person being forthcoming. Misinformation by accident or on purpose enters every investigation and LE is aware of this. If you believe a tip to LE was disregarded please reach out to ISP and the FBI. Sometimes even with the best of intentions things go by the wayside. It may not be intentional but "shit" does slip through the cracks so you need to be diligent that your tip or information makes it through to the investigators on this case. Not just leave a recorded statement that someone may or may not get to hear. I think a lot of facts are known that already but there just needs to be someone to step up to the plate. I can't imagine the friction involved with this knowledge has taken the joy from every resident In Delphi. Remain anonymous. But do the right thing.


Modru2u

Very well said. Appreciate your very well written comment wish I could up vote more than once.


ChickadeeMass

Thank you. I admire you and Joe.


Cicada_sounds

This guy isn’t helping the case as much as he thinks he is.


Modru2u

I respect your opinion. A lot of the YouTubers are not really helping the case to be honest.


Modru2u

I'd like to thank you all for replying and having a healthy discussion. This one has really been informative. I believe Libby and Abby will get justice one day and one day soon. Let's never forget and keep fighting for them. Thank you again.


Primary_Bat_3930

Really good post, Modru2u. Thank you.


Modru2u

Appreciate it Primary_Bat_3930.


FundiesAreFreaks

I agree with the other poster Modru2u, great and thought provoking post!


Modru2u

Thank you FundieAreFreaks. I appreciate your input.


Sunset_Paradise

I would like more transparency in the investigation and for them to work on correcting misinformation and rumors. So much of this case has become sensationalized in the media and I worry about them having to wade through tons of tips that are based on rumors and speculation. I've seen firsthand the kind of insane tips people send in to high profile, highly sensationalized cases. For example, they need to give some explanation as to why they're now focusing on the other sketch. They don't need to get specific, but that should say something like "the man in the first sketch has been identified and cleared." or "Witness statements have led us to switch our focus to this sketch." It should not be the job of the families to attempt to clear up misinformation.


Modru2u

Amen. Yes seems like Kelsi is doing a lot of the speaking on the case. When LE needs to be doing it. I think if they decide to do an update they need to have a female officer take the lead on speaking to the public. I know others in the past wished the would do this. I just think a women can answer and explain things much better than a man can.


Ill_Lunch9221

With Mrs. Patty having cancer, Mike working, and DG not speaking to the public, Kelsi is probably all they have. I think, in time, Kelsi will be great. She's now majoring in this kind of thing so she should understand the technical part of it. Sure, she gets a few things wrong, but that's normal. I honestly doubt it I could do what she's doing. I really wish her well.


Modru2u

Yeah I saw here interview about that very interesting.


Ill_Lunch9221

Her heart is definitely in the right place.


looloo0108

I agree. I’m not saying they need to explain every step they take but at least clear up the info they have provided. The whole mess with the sketches is bizarre. They should have corrected that right away after Carter confused the hell out of everyone at the press conference. Telling people it might be a combination of the two sketches. Wtf?!!


Ill_Lunch9221

Lol Supt.Carter needs another press conference to clear that 2nd sketch up.


Modru2u

Definately. They may need to bring a woman in to explain.


Modru2u

Yes very misleading and confusing to me.


smol_peas

In my opinion it may not be corruption but more a debate about politics, power and civil liberties. I wonder if there is an internal debate at the highest level about how to aggressively move on this case while a certain segment of LE is concerned about small town politics and how aggressive police and investigative action is seen in conservative communities. Politically it wouldn’t surprise me if segments of LE on this case don’t want to use the tools that are more aggressive and arguably infringe on people’s perceived rights.


Modru2u

I could see that actually being the case. Thank you for your insight it's very informative.


Ill_Lunch9221

Power struggle


Modru2u

Yeah I could see it being that also.


SeaworthinessNo430

I would find it hard to believe that corruption would hinder arresting a man responsible for the brutal murder of two young girls. I think it’s either the investigation has been handled improperly or he’s a masterful killer and won’t be found unless law enforcement gets presented with a silverPlatter with his name. My opinion is that the information that was presented to the public has not helped tips because I am just an outsider with one LE experience but you really have to dig to see the real picture and I’m referring to specifically the two sketches, timeline and lack of release of information pertaining to the crime. I understand holding back information but it doesn’t have to be nearly everything.


Modru2u

What was released was not really much to go on to be honest. They just released enough because I think they felt this was going to be solved quick and it wasn't. I'm not sure what is holding them back.


SeaworthinessNo430

Yes and what was released I found was very confusing where it should’ve been helpful.


Rhondie41

Even the profile from the FBI gentleman, nothing was passed out to the media? That press conference could've been handled a lot better. It was all over the place.


Modru2u

Yes I still don't think they are on the same page. It's like ISP doing one thing and FBI doing another.


Ill_Lunch9221

That may be a good thing though. The FBI works so much differently than the ISP. They may not even agree with how it happened, but it doesn't hurt to have that. As long as the FBI are in it, that's great. Also, they have $50,000.00 in it unlike the Flora fires. It won't go cold with either one of them. Detective Jerry Holeman went and took some FBI training as the Lead ISP Detective, so he has a big interest in it too. Prayers for all of them.


Modru2u

Amen


Modru2u

Yes very confusing.


ATrueLady

I believe the carroll county may be tied up with some corruption. I do not believe Doug Carter who is head of ISP is part of that. If you have legitimate knowledge of the case I would recommend directing it his way. That is my personal opinion, I know they say to email the tip line but I think something may be amiss in carroll county.


Modru2u

Thank you for this ATrueLady. Well said and all opinions are welcome on this post. I agree on Doug Carter not being apart of it, if there is any.


Ill_Lunch9221

I don't think Supt.Carter is part of ANY CORRUPTION either. I don't always understand where he's coming from, but his HEART is in the right place. He probably has grandchildren the girl's age.


Ill_Lunch9221

I would suggest anyone with a good tip call it in and also send it by email too. Try to find out WHO YOU are talking with. If you think you were ignored or no action was taken then call the nearest FBI Field Office.


Modru2u

Another good comment. I'm so glad I made this post now.


Ill_Lunch9221

Thank you for making it. I have heard several people say they didn't think their tip was taken very seriously. Let's hope they just "thought that" and didn't discard their tip. I remember one lady, who is very intelligent, and well connected, said they hung up on her. Her friend trains dogs for LE nationwide and she gave the tip to someone she trusted. This shouldn't be happening.


Modru2u

I'm sorry to hear so many people have had those issues. You're right this shouldn't be happening. I agree 100% with this statement. Edit: Are having those issues.


Emvor47

From a sleuths perspective I don't think there have been any good YouTubers or podcasts What this case warrants is a top investigative documentary team to visit Delphi and its surrounds from the perspective of us outsiders to see the division in classes the obvious looking corruption in politics the drug trade and damage done by it, the devotion to the church on this town. They may not unearth the killer but they'd have alot of stuff to make a good doc. I mean most of us have been around since these terrible murders happened We've watched the town closely know virtually everyone in it. I'm not saying go to Delphi and trample all over the townsfolk but engage with those willing to and you will get a superb documentary IMO


Ill_Lunch9221

I would love to see the ID Channel cover it.


Modru2u

Yes most of it is to get views and make money I feel. There are some that maybe genuine, but not a lot. Your thought are very interesting, I like your ideas on a top investigative team as long as they do what you say I your last paragraph. Thank you for your thoughts.


Ill_Lunch9221

Some of the YouTubers have been very helpful about showing us outsiders the layout of the trails and bridges. I think, for the most part, they are doing ok.


Modru2u

Yes they definitely have their uses for viewers. Not all the do is necessary is bad. They do a lot of good too. I agree.


Ill_Lunch9221

True. At least, they have stayed with the case. It's hard work to do those videos and I appreciate them.


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Emvor47

Forgot to mention Jason Herbert his interviews have been very good we'll thought out and respectful to the families.


Ill_Lunch9221

IMO, that's where a PI could come in handy.


Graycy

If there is something hinky going on with someone within the hierarchy, how do we know tips aren't being discarded?


JessicaQuirk

I think the tips are fielded through the FBI arm of the investigation, or they were at one time.


Modru2u

Oh nice thanks for the info Jessica Quirk.


Modru2u

That is a good question and thank you for coming up with it.


ATrueLady

I am pretty sure that some of them are being discarded


Graycy

Then how do I make sure they've seen my tip? I want to be sure they've looked real good at this guy.


ATrueLady

Send it to doug Carter Just dont waste his time if it’s something he’s probably seen or heard before.


Ill_Lunch9221

Send it to another agency involved or to FBI Headquarters in Quantico, Virginia. www.fbi.gov


Sophie4646

Good comment Graycy.


LORDOFTHEFATCHICKS

Don't confuse corruption with ineptitude.


Modru2u

Will do, and thank you for your input.


FundiesAreFreaks

Unfortunately I think almost all branches of LE have corruption. But I do strongly believe the right people are looking out for A&L. As far as LE protecting BG, I don't believe that though. The question for me is, how competent are they? I ask that only because I was very underwhelmed with Doug Carter at the 2019 presser. The religious overtones was a bit much imo. And his reference to that movie "The Shack" was just dumb. I don't mean to sound like LE there is awful, I have no clue. I'm just saying that 2019 presser didn't give me much confidence in them. Carter was too much of a drama queen. Won't even get started on the wrong sketch in the public domain for 2 years!


winterflower_12

I absolutely agree on all your points. One thing I would add is, local LE did immediately contact ISP and FBI when they found the girls. If there were any corruption surrounding this specific case, then local LE would not be so quick to contact and cooperate with outside agencies, especially FBI which has no jurisdiction over state and local LE.


Modru2u

Good comment and thank you for it. I agree if there was corruption they would not call outside agencies they would keep it all secretive.


FundiesAreFreaks

When I said corruption is in all branches of LE, that includes the FBI and ISP as well as the local Delphi PD. I also said that I felt that BG wasn't being protected by any of those LE entities because I just don't see them all conspiring together to NOT solve these murders. So yes, I very much agree with you.


winterflower_12

Yep, we are definitely on the same page. Sorry for any confusion! You said it better than I did.


Modru2u

Yes that press conference was really hard to watch.


JessicaQuirk

I have a big issue with the lead/public facing officials in this case and the overtones of religion. Both Carter and Leazenby have called BG “the devil” and talk about the evil nature of BG. Obviously BG is a bad guy. But I believe this could add some major bias against any typical “good guy” (church leader, LE, community volunteer, coach, etc) and putting less honest effort into those leads versus your RSOs/typical “bad guys” I’ve said it before but if justice is the actual goal here, the state needs a new task force announcement by feb 13, 2022 (or better yet, an arrest).


Modru2u

Amen. I think maybe that's why MH became a POI. I thought about for a long while and I just don't see what other people see with him.


Sophie4646

I think Doug Carter did not get his position because of ability but because he had a friend or friends in politics.


Ill_Lunch9221

I believe he was a Sheriff for years before he went with the ISP. Hopefully, his friends in politics had nothing to do with his position. The ISP require a test and experience. He was most likely very qualified.


Ill_Lunch9221

The religious overtones don't bother me, but at the beginning, Sgt. Kim Riley was the official spokesman for the ISP. I believe Riley retired a few months ago, but Supt.Carter gets so emotional we could use someone else. I doubt LE has anymore press conferences though. It's obvious the next one will be about an arrest. They aren't going to answer any questions.


Modru2u

I would like a woman to step in, I know I've mentioned this before. I believe other have too.


FruitbatLofrus

Doug Carter, with his emphasis on fairy tale nonsense (religion), comes off as a child trying to do the job of a grown up. Whatever pressure BG originally felt melted away during that insane press conference. BG knows these clowns will never catch him.


Modru2u

Yes that press conference was insane. I was weirded out by the whole thing. I just hope you're wrong on the never being caught part.


Slow_Ambition5452

Ok that wasn’t the wrong sketch. Both sketches were done at the same time but for some reason they chose to release them separately


Modru2u

Around same time YBG sketch was first drawn.


Plenty-You678

Initials please?


Modru2u

Initials for what, sorry not following? Did something in my post need initials?


Sophie4646

Great Post Modru2u


Modru2u

Thank you Sophie4646.


sandy_80

i do believe this local le is highly suspicious .. not necessarily corruption but just that they pretty bad .. they killed the investigation and instead of admitting it.. they r busy looking after their own interests


Modru2u

Very interesting look on things. Thank you for your comment.


Emvor47

One thing I think is a problem is all these small county police forces seem accountable to no one. You can bet your bottom dollar people have shit on Leazenby and he has on them Evans also, all these small towns seem to have people battling for power look at Flora a very powerful family wrapped up in all sorts of shit, the fire investigation jail fraud. These towns are a law into themselves. Are the cops afraid to move on the perp/s because they will be exposed in return ? Is it a wife refusing to give up a husband ? why ? because class matters in Delphi the divide between classes is huge, and religion and community standing and reputation is massive to these people not so the many on the bottom ladder living in poverty and addiction. The story of the Delphi is a story within itself to me as it no doubt is replacated right across America. We don't know what section of life this fucker is from It could be wealth or dirt poor. That's the intriguing thing also it could be anyone.


Modru2u

A lot of people resigned over the Flora Fires also didn't they.


Emvor47

This family has had some issues in Flora ? https://www.carrollcountycomet.com/articles/randle-turns-in-law-badge-after-3-decades-of-service/ A bit of research through up a sex offender possibly linked to this family https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/IN1260374/Jonathan-Wb-Randle.html This offender broke conditions in 2016 so I wasn't able to verify if he was free at the time of the murders in Delphi


Modru2u

Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.


Emvor47

Registered in Lafayette hence why he skipped under the radar An online article claims he broke conditions and was jailed in 16 ? iirc so he was either a free man or not come early February 2017 The randles have had issues and I'm not saying anything negative about them personally it's public info and known to just about everyone This RSO though warrants a look, I couldn't care about his privacy he's an RSO and as far as I'm concerned they are fair game


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Ill_Lunch9221

Wasn't his wife the one that stole the inmate's Jail money allotted for food?


LilkaLyubov

No more corrupt than the average small police force. Not to say no corruption at all, but not in a sense that is unique to the county. As for right people…not sure. My gut feeling is that any corruption around this is to protect against bumbling incompetence and nothing bigger than that. A trend not uncommon to cases like this, unfortunately.


Pristine_Woodpecker5

Yes and no.


Modru2u

Thank you.


BopCawn

Considering the Murderers best bud literally owns Carroll County and Delphi and his money funds all those businesses and cop stations, then yeah.. That would be corruption. Is it by choice? Hmm.. Not likely. A LOT of people around CC and Delphi dislike this family and the hold they have in the area. Their family date back through generations. They may as well be the royals in that place. If you spoke ill or accused dirty Danny of anything.. God forbid. As for the person who committed the act. He lives right across from deer creek. I'd like to see if they have searched his shack that he has in the wooded area behind the creek. That's probably where he kept the bodies before bringing them to that spot beside the deer.


No-Excuse5186

u/BopCawn Who's your poi? You sound rather local!


BopCawn

I will DM because he's on here watching.


Ill_Lunch9221

Turn him in for Cyber Stalking. That's a federal charge. www.fbi.gov


Obvious_Inspector_65

Dm me too please. I am intrigued.


fustyspleen17

Can you DM me too please? I can’t recall the last name.


throw_it_away_7212

Can you DM me too please??


Modru2u

Wow thank you for sharing. Is this why DC mentioned The Shack?


BopCawn

Definitely. This shack is one of two. One in the woods and one on the person's property.


BopCawn

Yeah down vote me for speaking the truth 😂 And guess what buddy. I'm sending the truth to everyone via PM. So while you're watching know that the clock is ticking and also the clock is ticking on you too Dirty D


Modru2u

Yeah I got down voted for that question I believe. Thank you again for your insight it was mind opening.


BopCawn

If you want the DM with information around my POI Just let me know ☺


Throwaway4P2

Me too, please and thank you. I think I know who you mean but am just getting into this.


Flower_power_1983

Could you send me one too please and thank you?


LanaDelRetard

Can you please DM me too? Thanks


NoVeterinarian8223

Can you also DM me please? ☺️


Ill_Lunch9221

Lol 🤔🤔


BopCawn

Yes because this is funny. Hilarious. I've got a lot of DMs to go through so for those who are waiting on a DM.. I will get to you..


restisconfettii

Please dm me


BopCawn

Sent


Ill_Lunch9221

If I recall correctly, a local guy actually went to one of these "shacks" on his 4 wheeler the night of the search. Idk which one he went to-- probably the one in the woods. He didn't find anything


BopCawn

You just hit the nail on the head "a local guy"... Didn't find anything.... Well now.. Speaks volumes. Lots of local people who would go to cover up a lot. I think it's time to start questioning this local guy then. I am local and I'm pretty sure if it me and my good friend who is one of his living victims we would find plenty . 👍


Plenty-You678

Where you’d go?