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Claims in an article from 2019

Claims in an article from 2019

maxxthecat2021

> "Just after 2 P.M. on February 13, Libby posted a photo to Snapchat of Abby walking on the bridge. In the distance, if you look close, you can see a man approaching" This is incorrect it isn't a man, it's some sort of post. > "Sergeant [Jerry] Coleman [of Indiana State Police] responded, "We will not deny or confirm whether or not we have DNA. But I think the public realizes that with a crime like this, it’s rare to not have DNA. We will reach out to the genealogy websites. Any new technology that comes available, we will use it." Probably, but who knows if it's actually BG's?


cherrygemgem

I can only presume the article is referring to the black splodge at the far end of the bridge, which honestly I can't say either way what it is, man, post, tree? Just a splodge to me. As for the DNA, either it's not BG's or it is his and he's not on any DNA databases - criminal or genealogy. Sadly I lean more towards it being the former.


maxxthecat2021

Yeah it's some double post thing. No idea what it is exactly but definitely not a man.


SeattleINFP

Maybe it's the Postman. (Sorry, I had to!) 😫🤐


maxxthecat2021

lol


mireha0

Genetic genealogy can take years to unravel. That's only if they are lucky enough to have a familial match in the system itself to begin with.


FundiesAreFreaks

I read about two years ago that the only open source DNA site at the time, GED, had only 800,000 DNA's uploaded to their site. It said within two years that 98% of Caucasian Americans would have their ancestors DNA on GED. It didn't mention other races, but I do know African-Americans hit a lot of walls due to slavery. At least if LE goes the genetic genealogy route, we know BG isn't African-American. Not sure they even have his full DNA anyways though. And with the kind of luck LE has had on this case, BG is probably adopted!


Ok-Opportunity-9706

I listened to geneology expert who was commenting in relation to this case. She said that if they had a good sample of DNA they should get a hit at this point. An exception would be if the person had just arrived from somewhere like Tibet and their family hadnt crossed over to our country. But if this person and family reside in this country then there would be a match to someone, somewhere. So the issue might be poor DNA


sandy_80

they dont have a full sample.. paul holes hinted at this.. and the dna might not even be the killers one


lakegirl2001

This video was uploaded in April, 2017. At 5:47 you get a good look as to what some call “BG in the background of Libby’s photo.” It’s a barricade. It was there in February 2017 as well. I believe it was put there so that no one would attempt to drive over the bridge. That’s just an opinion but we all know there’s stupid people out there who might try it. https://youtu.be/9NRsWMECSNI


natureella

Something is off in this story "The families of Libby and Abby and the police are still working to find the girls' killer. Anna Williams has shared that one of Abby's interests "was forensic science, ironically, so we have to do this for her and for Liberty." Im sure it was Libby not Abby who was into true crime and forensic science?


cherrygemgem

I think you're right actually. If I recall correctly wasn't Libby taking advanced science classes at Purdue University because she wanted a career in forensics?


wxstelxnds

Its often stated they both had an interest but libby was the one taking the classes


[deleted]

I believe it was on Gray Hughes that I saw close ups of the entire area/bridge/crime area/ etc., and those are most definitely posts, NOT a person approaching in the distance.


evilpixie369

They have DNA from too many people and much of it is very little trace amounts. I also believe they have a bunch of unknown profiles.


cherrygemgem

I hope you're right and they do have a bunch of unknown profiles, that at least means there's a chance one of them is BG and he'll be identified in the future.


Jsstchillin

Le knows who bg is now and has since 4/24/2017.


lovelywoods

Oddly specific date…


Jsstchillin

That’s when the le received a much better cleaned up bg pic. Not long after le received the pic they stopped all the adds asking for tips on the radio and tv. Everything went quiet.


Anothermomento

I have been wondering if they do know who it is and that is why they have not told the public more about the crime scene to help find him.


FruitbatLofrus

Nope. LE is clueless.


Jsstchillin

That’s cute that you hope that’s true!


716um

Wtf? Who???????


Graycy

Is he in jail now for a crime elsewhere?


Jsstchillin

Nope. Still lives near the bridge. He is running out of time.


teaandcrime

Please elaborate, I don't think I've heard of this person


Jsstchillin

Was poi at the start but he supposedly had a alibi that didn’t check out.


cherrygemgem

If he had an alibi that DIDN'T check out why isn't he still a POI?


Jsstchillin

He is. A lot of people were pushing the idea that he was cleared.


Obvious_Inspector_65

Who is it?


Graycy

Has he been in the news?


Jsstchillin

Nope. Was for a while but is out now,


mireha0

Why say anything at all if you're unwilling to elaborate? The information you have is either worthless or you shouldn't be in a position to hold sensitive information to help resolve the case. People like you truly hurt this case. We don't need anymore speculation.


[deleted]

mireha0, I completely agree. People like this are spreading unsubstantiated gossip. This poster obviously doesn't really know anything.


Jsstchillin

Le already knows who. People on here don’t need to know because most are after the money not justice for Abby’s and Libby’s families. I’m on here for them and le.


mireha0

Right, so why would you say anything? If you know something private and close to the case, keep it that way. I don't see how comments like this on Reddit helpthe case at all. But just my opinion.


716um

Who is it pm me


[deleted]

Can someone enlighten me? I have heard numerous places that Abby and Libby said words to the effect of 'Is that creepy guy still behind me?' or 'There's that creepy guy', or something along those lines, that clearly showed they knew they were being followed and were definitely aware of BG, were scared, and considered him creepy. Do we know positively that this conversation actually happened? Is there a source for it? I never heard LE say anything like that, but it seems a lot of people take this as an accepted fact of the case. If it is, I never heard of who actually stated that there is evidence that really does exists that showed the girls had discussed this. Just wondering where and when this statement started.


ScoutEm44

This was in a scenario that Gray Hughes had in one of his videos. It was never said by the girls.


[deleted]

Thank you. So, the girls MIGHT not have had a clue that he was a 'creep', or that he was after them? Then, SOMETHING must have happened to alarm Libby into recording him walking on the bridge toward them? I don't think you just automatically record another hiker....I wonder what spooked them.


ScoutEm44

Yes, something alarmed Libby enough for her to start recording him. I have read in the past that she'd sometimes take photos of random people and make jokes to her friends like "this is your boyfriend"... I can't tell you where I saw that and if it's true or not. Under that assumption, she may have just recorded it for a joke and he approached so fast she didn't have time to stop it? I don't believe this as a reason though, just throwing out a thought.


[deleted]

Yes, I wish it was just a random recording, but I too don't believe that. I wish we knew what actually lead up to it. I hope someday we get all the facts. I think something alerted them that the guy really was 'creepy' before he accosted them.


OnlyManagement2883

go to Gray Hughes videi for 6.20 2021...he detaiks what Anna told someone about what she heard on the video...and part of it is a reference to BG coming up on them...all the way to the point where Abby says "is that a gun? OMG its a gun". At that point you hear a gun being cocked...LE told Anna that was the noise...then the words Hey guys down the hill. She said BG had no emotion...no feeling. Must have been very difficult for her to see and hear the last moments of her daughters life, and see the monster responsible.


[deleted]

Holy crap. I have only seen a couple of Hughes' videos on the case. The one where he did the animation. He did an incredible job. Cried my way through it. I had no idea Anna was speaking about stuff like that. I thought LE told family not to say anything to anyone. I wonder if this is just a rumor or speculation...I did think even when BG says 'down the hill' there was no emotion at all. I have just seen the vid you mentioned, but I can't imagine that Anna really told someone that when she knew it could get spread around...It sounds like more case gossip. LE probably shared more info with the family than the public knows "but not much" according to Libby's sister. They also would have told the family not to let the info out. Why would the family blab it to anyone if they were told not to, and it could affect the case? Gray is not naming the 'person' who gave him this info. IF it is true, than why repeat something someone told you in confidence and not give your name. It smacks of this NOT being true.


OnlyManagement2883

Gray said this is detailed in a FB exchange...he goes over it all at the beginning of the show...and one other thing I remember is that when she discussed BG she said she saw a gray beatd. Gives me chills, to think she saw him and her daughter...I wouldn"t be strong enough to live through it.


Jsstchillin

No beard, clean chin neck area. A full salt and pepper mustache though.


Jsstchillin

Bg is not that far away from the girls when his picture was taken. Anyone who uses IPhone’s knows that you can take a picture at 3 feet and it looks like it’s 15 to 20 feet away.


cherrygemgem

This article is referring to him supposedly being in the background of the photo of Abby, not the image released of him alone.


Jsstchillin

That’s where they got the image of him by zooming in.


Jsstchillin

Kind of. It also says all the family and le are clear. All the family! Those still pushing a family member did it have an agenda.


meanorrod

No true. This article is very inaccurate