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Possible LE has incorrectly “cleared” BG

Possible LE has incorrectly “cleared” BG

CoopsCoffeeAndDonuts

Very possible. Who knows how many hundreds, maybe even thousands of people they have interviewed in possible connection with this crime. If he is indeed local, and with a town the size of Delphi, the odds that they have interviewed BG at some point are significant. Now whether they’ve cleared him or not who’s to say? I’m not so sure they have that *one person* in mind and they’re waiting for a break, but he may be on their radar. Almost certainly his name is on a list or file somewhere.


Sophie4646

IMO if LE have cleared BG it is because BG gave them a false alibi which could have been substantiated by a member of his family or a close friend.


evilpixie369

I was under the impression that LE hasnt cleared anyone.


Straight_Hospital393

Even so, they may have stopped looking at someone who is in fact the killer. It definitely happens, through false alibi, lies, etc.


Twigg_y54

Exactly right


SomeonecatchBG

Yeah what straight said. I don’t mean it has to be completely cleared, that’s why I put it in quotes....I didn’t know the best way to phrase it...maybe not looking at someone as hard as they should? Extreme example in the shauna Howe kidnap/murder prison records incorrectly showed that the killer was incarcerated at the time so le obviously didn’t look at him as hard


RphWrites

Possible. A lot of times when a case is finally solved it winds up being someone who stood out or was interviewed in the very beginning. LE is often onto something in a lot of the early tips and interviews, they just didn't realize that at the time; either they didn't follow up with someone, an alibi checked out (when maybe it shouldn't have), etc . As time goes by the information can get muddled and things go in a dozen different directions. Libby absolutely did a good job of recording her murderer but I wonder what would've happened if she hadn't. Unfortunately, the generic clothes and blurry overall appearance mean that it could be almost anyone. And don't get me started on the sketch(es)...


SomeonecatchBG

Yeah when people say Occam’s razor my brain goes to who were the initial guys that stood out as potentially being BG I’m curious if anyone that has a strong case against has been “cleared” because they don’t look or sound like the recording/sketches? Maybe he looked/sounded different on the recording??


RphWrites

I'm curious, too. I've been in the Delphi groups since the girls were found and I've seen people make strong cases for men based solely on the fact that they look "just like the sketch/video still." But in real life he most likely does *not* look just like it. Who's been excluded by the people in his life because he doesn't resemble the images? Is there a friend/family member/neighbor who's been sitting on information all this time because they've talked themselves out of calling in a tip because they don't think the person looks enough like one of the sketches? When the girls' bodies were first found, before we had any info, I honestly thought this was a crime perpetrated by older kids. It happened in the daytime on a day off from school at a location where teens often visit. But then the video image was released. If no sketch or video existed, who would stand out in this case?


SomeonecatchBG

Great point about someone not tipping someone in if they don’t look like the sketch...I guess I shouldn’t have limited by incorrect “clearing” to le


Straight_Hospital393

It’s definitely possible. Over the years I’ve read many true crime case books and watched a lot of true crime documentaries, and there have been quite a number of cases in which the killer is arrested years down the line — only to have law enforcement realize the person had been interviewed and wrongly cleared way back in the initial days immediately following the crime.


Standard-Marzipan571

That’s right. I’ve posted before on the similarities to the Molly Bish case that was recently solved after over 20yrs. They had multiple suspects that looked Exactly like the sketch and the guy they recently named was not one that the public had heard of. I’ve read he was a POI at in like 2002 and then just brought up again in tips in 2018. Like you say, anything is possible. I get a kick out of people saying definitively “It’s not this guy or it’s definitely not this guy”. We don’t know anything “definitely” at this point.


Motherlicka

Ives never made this case sound easy. He insinuated the crime scene alluded to a case that could be solved easily based on his experience in passed crimes and claimed if it was 1960, he'd expect it to be solved. They probably have a murder weapon (bladed weapon) and fingerprints, possibly DNA, but no one they have tested has come back a match and have gotten no matches in the database. This seems to be an outlier of sorts. Paul Holes, who was "consulted" on the case said this would be a difficult one to solve and LE had an uphill battle, so we can take that for what it's worth. Although I think it was Jerry Holeman who disputed these claims.


zdarrelltux

I think they have the weapon as well (or pieces of it), based on some reports that LE was asking tipsters early on if the individual had or collected unusual weapons. Some forensic work can be done to get a rough idea of the weapon used to an extent, but I don't think it's conclusive enough to lead LE to ask such a pointed question. It's likely a karambit or similar edge weapon in my opinion.


SomeonecatchBG

Motherlicka- I want to clarify that in this post I am not trying to say LE did something blatantly wrong or that the case is easy. My mistake if that’s how I came off...I just listed the shauna Howe case where incorrect prison record threw off detectives for years through no fault of their own....in this case if the people that think it’s ag turn out to be correct I personally would have incorrectly “cleared” her because I have assumed BG is male.


sandy_80

and how they can clear someone who was on the trails if they dont kno if they have the killers dna...cause that was the rumor we heard


Penelope_Ann

Possibly. I'd hope though that they wouldn't clear anyone without a solid, concrete alibi for that day, especially from noon to 5:00 pm.


UpperPaleolithic

I think you mean OBG LE appear to have recognized their mistake in April 2019. Instead of 'cleared' I believe 'oops' might be a more apt description.


SomeonecatchBG

This! For example my own assumptions would rule out any poi people on here mention over 70 and any female. I’d like to hear other possibilities


Oakwood2317

I think that may have been rectified at the April, 2019 presser. Both Ana Williams ([in this interview](https://youtu.be/p9B7B0Nv6cQ)-I'm not going to watch it again to pull the time stamp if you haven't seen it already just take the 90 mins and watch it) and another prosecutor on the [Best Case Worst Case podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/ke/podcast/122-worst-case-scenario-the-delphi-murders/id1240002929?i=1000436556821) (can't remember the episode-it was around the time of the presser) who stated they'd heard from Delphi investigators that they'd identified the person in the first released sketch with a hat as a sex offender who was in the park/trails that day but were able to eliminate somehow. That prompted focus on the second suspect someone at the area (presumably-who provided this sketch is still unclear to me) saw but the police did not pursue, as per Carter's [suggestion here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjmqo2kOqDQ)


Ill_Lunch9221

You just may be right. It wouldn't shock me. It really seems like they have tried to look at men in Delphi first-- they think he's local. I originally saw this case on HLN. When RL was arrested, I thought it was for Murder. I looked one day to see if they had scheduled his trial only to find out he wasn't guilty of Murder; just the Probation Violation. At that point, rumors had it BG was either DN or JD, who missed work that day and looked a lot like BG. At that time, they didn't even have DN's DNA. I think they passed a law requiring it and that's probably why they brought DN back to get his DNA. A lot of men refused to give DNA. So, that presented a problem. But, they couldn't do anything about it. If that's the problem and they have "cleared" someone who is guilty, they have their work cut out for them. If someone has an alibi that "pans" out, they need to start all over. I am sure they have a lot of poi's but won't tell us. I really think that DN is "covered " whatever that means. Mr. Ives is old school, but he knows the town and surrounding ones. He also knows the evidence. I don't think he made a crazy statement. I am glad he's back as an Assistant DA. Time will tell. I really don't think it's JBC, but I hope I'm wrong. They need to be able to put BG at the crime scene


Desperate-Wasabi-715

Maybe. I'll do you one better and perhaps some here can clear this up: The rumor that LE in fact interviewed the guy we know as BG. He had gotten into some trouble of a sexual nature and he had been on the bridge that day. And they cleared him! What's the mix-up?


MaybeSherlock

Where’d you hear that from?


Modru2u

He looks to big to be BG. I guess he could of gained a lot of weight in 2 years however.


Modru2u

Oops too


FundiesAreFreaks

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Modru2u

I do now thank you! FundiesAreFreaks. I'll do that from now on.


FundiesAreFreaks

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Modru2u

Yes thank you again. I have been putting it to good use.


Penelope_Ann

I like your username, FundiesAreFreaks.


FundiesAreFreaks

Penelope - Thank you! One of my side hobbies is shining a light on abuses in Christian Fundalmentalists/fundies. They're very patriarchal and misogynistic. Yeah, imo they're Freaks!


Penelope_Ann

Thanks for shining a light on their abuses! I'm also frequent visitor to r/DuggarSnark & r/FundieSnarkUncensored. Hoping Josh Duggar gets at least several years in prison!


FundiesAreFreaks

Well hello fellow Snarker! Yes, that pig needs locked up for a looonnggg time and kept away from all children for life, including his own! Unfortunately we're going to have to wait awhile since he's asked the judge to move his trial to Feb. 2022. But as has other Snarkers have pointed out, it gives him more time to violate his probation. Just hoping if he does violate that his sponsors drop a dime on him instead of calling Daddy Dearest! It's my understanding that the video he obtained shows a very young girl getting murdered. Makes you wonder if he'll progress to rape and murder. He's so disgusting!


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Obvious_Inspector_65

I wonder who it was. Very interesting.


OnTheWingsOfAPhoenix

I’m guessing it was [this guy ](https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-investigate-accused-child-molester-in-connection-to-murder-of-two-teenage-girls) ETA: LE did come out and say CE is not a suspect, but I can’t find the article anywhere.


sandy_80

this wasnt the rumor .. it was that they cleared a sexual offender who might have looked like a sketch..who was on the trails.. what are the odds anyway.. it sounds like so much bs tru or not


chevaline1

Well that makes complete sense if it is in fact true. Makes me wonder whether LE is playing a game of 'Poker' with the suspected assailants. This is what I worked out from the shadows. Heavily down voted but no one has attempted to prove that I am wrong.... [https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/noz6jp/how\_reliable\_are\_the\_images\_of\_both\_abby\_and\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/noz6jp/how_reliable_are_the_images_of_both_abby_and_the/) Can someone here with a more open mind do the shadow analysis independently and let us all know what time you get. I get a time of about 4.00pm for Bridge guy being on the bridge.


auntieb53

We use Daylight Savings Time in the US.One hour time difference.Lol lol lol.


chevaline1

There is no daylight saving in February. The app uses the time at Delphi. The Laugh is on you. LOL LOL


auntieb53

Lol...fyi I totally disagree with your premise.If you are off 2 degrees,the entire theory collapses.Sorry.But,I do applaud your intricacy and effort!Good day,Mate!


chevaline1

It is 30 degrees difference.


auntieb53

I tend to believe LE.They have the video and witnesses.But as I said,I do give you kudos for your attention to detail. Retired ER RN and Science geek,here,so I know what goes into any detailed analyses and algorithms.I just am of the opinion LE is right....on this detail.


PeterNorthSaltLake

I'll do you one better : why is bridge guy ?


Desperate-Wasabi-715

Why is BG what? Or, did you mean who is BG?


Western_Quarter_7346

I love Drax


Western_Quarter_7346

I believe law enforcement comments that they may have spoken to him are based purely on stats, rather than them having someone in mind. UkSleuth very usefully shared a document (under the thread title child abductions and murders) which was a large scale case study of child abductions and murders. It is fascinating and well worth a read. It found that the killers name usually is known to the police very early on: immediately in 30% of cases, within 24h in 51% and within a week in 74%. Additionally in 34% of cases they had had some form of contact with the killer very early on before they were considered a suspect in any way.


MaybeLawyerKinda

It’s possible that the girls were sent through a time warp to 2021 and returned after being killed on 2/13/2017.


indoorlady

Go away.


MaybeLawyerKinda

Why? My baseless speculation isn’t as valuable as others? I wonder why. Should I just regurgitate something useless and obvious that everyone’s heard a million times so it’s easier for you to talk about?


StupidizeMe

We're talking about the real life murder of two little girls, remember? I think at the very least we owe it to Abby and Libby to take their deaths seriously.


Ill_Lunch9221

I totally agree. That's disrespecting the girls to say that.


MaybeLawyerKinda

I agree, entirely. Instead of wasting time on this sub speculating about “possibilities” and all the information you don’t have (fantasizing about the murders of two young girls), maybe simply… follow the case hoping for a resolution? Wow, crazy, right? Why talk about what’s possible? Anything is fucking possible. To guess isn’t taking the situation serious. It’s called creating a story.


koalafiedcat

You’re an embarrassment.


MaybeLawyerKinda

Funny story. To the outside world, *you* are an embarrassment. I’m the closest to reason this sub has.


Modru2u

Twilight Zone?


MaybeLawyerKinda

I’m thinking we need to call Mulder and Scully. This is the work of ET’s. The DNA? Intergalactic. The signatures? Alien. The culprit? Nefarious aliens.


Lonely-Importance110

Yo, if you want a squarer subreddit who doesn't really allow speculation, go to delphimurders. In other words, fuck off.


MaybeLawyerKinda

Feel free to fantasize about the murder of two young girls. Try to maintain composure when I don’t take you seriously because jokes aren’t meant to be taken seriously. Does that make sense?


ScoutEm44

Huh?


MaybeLawyerKinda

Literally anything is possible.