I changed my mind about Eugenia. Leaving the subreddit
By - frenchtoastbricks
Yes, imo if Eugenia is a bad person for showing her body then I feel like you could make the same argument for other influencers with an ED like Emma Chamberlain who posts a lot of photos of her very tiny body and also promotes disordered eating (apparently she was showing what dishes she liked to make and the portion sizes were really small). I've read lots of comments recently of people who have said she has triggered them a lot. Let's add a lot of kpop idols who are underweight (BP Lisa, Rosé) and many models. Like them, EC is using her body for her own gain such as a source of income. And like them, she both is negatively affected by unrealistic body standards and also promotes them.
If anything imo, these influencers that are slightly underweight have more of a negative effect on people than EC, as they have body types that are seen as more conventionally desireable and when you're exposed to a lot of slightly underweight people, over time it gives the notion that they are "healthy" and you, with a healthy bmi, are "too big". But yeah i do think assigning blame to people for triggering others with their body is a slippery slope.
I agree with you mostly, but to be fair this subreddit isn’t meant to be “productive”. This subreddit is a place for people to come and discuss Eugenia. There’s nothing about this subreddit that supposed to bring change or anything. Just an outlet for people to voice their thoughts on her.
Yeah, I come here like every 3 months or so, just to be updated on her status, hoping that one day there will be some good news.
You’re not the type of person I’m talking about, I mean the passionate critics who are really active
I think a lot of it is actually hypocritical and negative though.
Depending on the user and how many people jump on a negative bandwagon for a certain post, it can be. But like they said, the sub is an outlet. The emotions expressed in the post are going to be strong and “irrational” at times. Its better for people to look at this sub sparingly imo because its easy to get sucked in and feel other peoples frustrations and then you feel constantly down and negative yourself. Or maybe i’m projecting, i dont know.
Edit: i was always one to say that some posts were too strong or biased or negative and got downvoted to reddit hell for it, so its good to see someone with the same thoughts as me. Sometimes its hard for me to understand how passionate others are for this mentally ill woman. You seem very logic oriented, whereas this sub is geared towards more emotionally driven individuals
I can agree with you.
I've mentioned this before, but it really does seem like a lot of people allow Eugenia to live rent-free in their heads. I think a majority of the views she gets on YouTube are from people who are active in anti-Eugenia communities, and that's ironic. They feed her the very attention that keeps her relevant.
well the majority of comments on her vids are from people criticising her so i dont doubt that the views arent either lol. imagine if everyone collectively quit gawking at her, her views would probably drop to the hundreds or thousands.
thats the top thing that pisses me off about..what are we called lol this anti-fanbase? people complain that she does it for attention, they complain about her simps giving her attention, complain about the people liking her posts...then go ahead and give her attention. a view or a comment bro, attention is attention.
and ill be honest im a hater, i have zero attachment to this woman so i just like to gossip and talk. that being said, through my eyes its extremely disturbing how people on these subs are so affected by her, i mean *deeply* affected, to the point their mental health is declining.
youre not wrong at all that people let her live in their heads rent free and i cant describe it as anything other than a disturbing parasocial relationship. i get being obsessed with a public figure whether you love them or hate them, but jesus christ some of yall really need to invest in a hobby or something cause its just concerning to watch.
its deadass like a plane crashing into a train wreck out here sometimes.
It’s the same with AmberLynn
has amber ever got a call from dr no?
ya no one actually watches her trash content and takes it seriously lol, like who the fuck is at home from work like oh i can’t wait to see eugenia in a mermaid costume, so relatable. lmfao.
There are tons of people on this subreddit that watch her content religiously and can't wait to come to this sub to say the nastiest thing possible all under the guise of "caring"
If Eugenia flashes some partial panty shot there are 50 posts on this subreddit within minutes. The whole thing is truly weird.
The one that gets me is the people who will spend hours on her streams to get that weird panty shot just to come here and complain. I'm fine talking shit after years of watching her decline (and by this I mean her videos occaisionally coming onto my feed when I used to be subscribed and checking in) but some people on here are obsessed.
i totally agree with you. especially about triggering younger people. anyone who says ‘she looks so pretty and she says she’s healthy so i should try to look like her’ has to be at a state where they’re already developing an ED, i don’t want to come off as rude but a healthy person wouldn’t find her attractive or want to look like her in the first place. underweight models with still somewhat healthy bodies probably trigger a lot more people than her.
triggering content is everywhere if you’re looking for it, honestly.
YES. Although I'm here from morbid curiosity. I don't believe there is anything helpful that can be done. Take care of yourself.
1. Most platforms offer to block her and people refuse to do it. It's like an alcoholic going to a bar and blaming everyone except him for getting sucked back into drinking. (I have had an eating disorder years ago).
3. Eugenia's body is definitely not attractive. She is frail and sickly and awkward looking. The only people who think otherwise already have an ED or are fetishists. I have read there is an instinctive negative perception of an underweight body. She is beyond that.
4. And also, as a mom and aunt, kids get bored of content like this. This channel is not something a child would find interesting even with her "cosplays". They want to listen to music or laugh at something funny or watch a cool story unfold or learn something geared to young minds. They know this is just a weird person with baggy clothes talking about things they don't care about.
This subreddit isn't doing anything that house wives haven't been doing since god knows when. We come here and gossip that's straight up all it is. The difference between the women before us is they did it on the phone or over bridge or while having coffee. People LOVE to gossip especially if it's about "famous" people. Gossip isn't meant to be productive it's entertainment. Also Her panties and coot shots are bigger issue then her ED. Again I'm just gossiping I have no actual proof it wasn't an "accident"
you think her panty shots are a bigger issue than her dying? Am I misunderstanding?
Edit: OH... "bigger issue" as in bigger gossip? Well... I have to strongly disagree, I think this subreddit is LARGELY focused on her ED. Just read the hundreds of "dear eugenia"s etc.
IF the rumors are true and she is catering to fetishist and there have been allegations she doesn't protect her younger fans from from these sickos and down plays all of it. Yea I feel like this is a bigger issue then her dying. You NEVER fuck with a child I don't care if she hasn't touched anyone SHE PUTS CHILDREN IN DANGER WITH HER DAMN ACTIONS! and that shit isn't just gossip a victim went straigh to EC and she down played it. So let the down votes begin because I don't give a fuck at this point.
If that were true, and EC was facilitating putting children in the way of predators then yes I would agree.
I just know of the one situation but one situation is all it take for me when it comes to kids. I have a daughter in her early teens. So it bothers me on a personal level. On a positive note by daughter finds EC a sad kinda nasty person. I'm grateful at this point because EC doesn't make my daughter want to be skinny like her. Not all parents are are this lucky. Ik that kids with ED's already have underlying issues and it's not all EC fault because people with ED search out triggers and wht not but if EC wasn't a thing or proana people aloud on social media. There wouldn't be anything to trigger these people. Just my thoughts though.
Yeah but you're harassing a mentally ill girl and you could make the argument you're driving her deeper into her Ed.
"If you don't like it don't look" -Euginia Cooney
This sub isn't for her if she doesn't want to see the shit we post here. It's as easy as not coming here. Also she's not a girl she's a grown ass women. Why do you people act like she's a child? She has more then once stated she doesn't care who she affects and will continue to do what she wants and if we don't like it don't look. Mental illness is no excuse do Pedos get a pass because they are I'll? Or rapists or murderers? She knows she's sick she knows what she's doing is wrong and has no plans of getting help. So tell me again why I should feel bad?
The people everyone should be worried about are the ones who search out her insta and Twitter and whatever else to talk shit to her. That's bullying.
How is this situation even remotely similar to pedophiles.....and also how is it the same as a murder or rape??? I'm sorry thats a false equivalency
My point being they are all mental illnesses I'm using the comparison do to the company Euginia seems to keep. So no it's not a false equivalence we have all seen her panties more then once and side vag. She had a pedo running her discord. She says she doesn't need to age restrict and isn't doing anything wrong. Holy crap how many times does this stuff need repeated? Her damn eating disorder is really small on the scale of shit things she does.
1. As someone with an ED I feel the topic surrounding her is filled with misinformation, setting that straight is an endless task. I don't use the word trigger in my life and don't accuse Eugenia of doing so to me, I still think ever since her "recovery" some facts should be set straight.
2. I am not sure why everyone over complicates this. Eugenia is getting away with breaking the terms of service and it has nothing to do with her weight and everything to do with self harm. Why is she held to a different standard than cutter's or drug addicts? If these sites don't want to restrict blatant self satisfying anorexia or bulimia than at least stop restricting others suffering from similar disorders, or at the very least stop promoting her. Eugenia has been trending and plugged into the YT algorithm for years.
3. Eugenia on her own is not the problem, but she is still apart of it and that is worthy of speaking about. Generations of people of all ages will forever have access to her content. Denying the negative impact of that on society is saddening. I don't think she is making healthy people have an unhealthy mindset, but I pity her fan base who for years have been manipulated and desensitized into believing Eugenia is perfectly fine and normal. She lied for years saying she was fine and influential people have sucked that up, they have been brainwashed, in that way Eugenia is directly having an impact on the normalization of Anorexia. That is on the internet forever now, there is no taking that back. She should'nt be punished or blamed for the existence of ED's, but it should still be free game to discuss this impact and have a safe space for people to vent about how her content makes them feel at times.
4.Ask pancakes and probably countless others who may be to afraid to say anything or are too brainwashed into believing nothing is wrong how dangerous Eugenia and her community that she gives a platform are to children.
5.I mostly see people trying to catch her in a lie rather than prove she is unhealthy.
Unproductive? I come here when I’m bored. I’m not really trying to change anything I just want to see how things are going w/o giving her views. I’m pretty sure a majority of people do the same.
I don't really understand where this idea that the sub is supposed to be productive comes from. It's a gossip/discussion forum about an influencer--that is inherently an entertainment and venting space, not a "productive" space.
I do think some people take their parasocial emotional connection to her a little far, but I don't think that's surprising when you consider the amount of frustrated or harmed ex-fans. Eugenia manipulates and gaslights her audience, and being manipulated and gaslit can breed a kind of obsessiveness in the victim.
Personally, I'm here for entertainment and distraction. I started coming to the sub during quarantine as a relief of boredom and a distraction from stress, and that's still what I'm doing here.
'and being manipulated and gaslit can breed a kind of obsessiveness in the victim.'
I agree. How can she be surprised about all the people here talking about her. I bet there are a lot of harmed ex-fans here. She makes fun of people here, laughing at how silly we are to be so obsessed, when she is responsible for creating this group by her actions and words, or lack of. She has hurt and frustrated people and reddit is a place they can come to vent and discuss Eugenia stuff.
people want her de-platformed yet i’d argue half of her views are from those same people 🤷♀️ they are the ones filling her pockets on youtube.
people who dont use a adblocker or use the YT app on their shitty roku is how YT makes 6billion in ad rev this quarter, which is half what google pays apple to remain ios safari default search, since half of google search traffic comes from ios
thk god for cluesless techluddite morons like them keeping yt and by extension eugenia a sustainable business
To add to your list of points... The subreddit is a place for discussion about her. It's not here to help her. It's not here FOR her. It's here for people to discuss. And sometimes that IS helpful to the kinds of people you listed, because it's hard to bottle in your feelings all the time, and even harder to find people to talk about this kind of stuff about. So in that way, it IS productive. Just for lots of other people.... Not Eugenia. And that should be ok.
I think productive may have been a limiting word to use. While I do think it’s unproductive, I wouldn’t care if I thought it was also neutral. But I think it’s unproductive + often hypocritical and negative
Yeah, that would fly if the discussion didn't turn into anything but nasty bitchy bullying more often than not.
This subreddit is entertainment for many. It's watching the freak show and pointing and laughing. Very little is actually a truly productive discussion about ED and its devastating effects.
Not being an asshole for once I just wanna point out reddit has several ED support groups. They are for talking about ED and it's effects. People who struggle gather there so they don't feel alone and have people to relate to thier struggle. The conversation in those groups tend to be productive. So if this subreddit is so upsetting to so many and you need to discuss what you're feeling ED anonymous would be a better fit.
Always found her to be cheerful and pretty. Didn't mind her personal ED too much when there was deniability about her promoting it. Admittedly, it Started to become morbid curiosity as she fell deeper into her illness. Obviously, I wish her a full recovery, but I know it is not likely. The influences she built into her life are playing against her in an already perilous situation.
I also agree with u/jamiie7396 that this subreddit was never purposed to be productive.
"It's just existing."
Agreed! Plus I can't emphasise it enough, the girl is suffering and probably won't be with us much longer. Is all this vitriol against her really worth it? I have to laugh at all the commentary channels that told us all to stop watching her because we're giving her attention and engagement, and then proceeded to watch her to make videos on her, all while using the same clips from her videos that they deemed "too triggering". In effect, they're telling us, "don't watch her and give her engagement, instead, you should give all this engagement TO ME!". It's just hypocritical at this point. I do wish her the best though, no one deserves to suffer like that.
In the end only so much can be said or done
What category did you fall into before today’s decision to leave?
Unkind to call people with interests outside of your own, “stunted”. And that’s coming from me someone who doesn’t have stuffed toys or watch cartoons.
I was in the morbid curiosity category + concern about her community
>and at least partially blame her for triggering them. If these people can’t be expected to stay away from her content because it’s too easy to be drawn to triggers, then why is it fair to expect rational behavior from Eugenia?
That actually makes a lot of sense... we are expecting sane behaviour from a very sick person... She may be so delusional that she doesnt even see her body checks as triggering... I am in two minds about this. I can see both sides.
> it would be hypocritical of them to ban or restrict her without doing the same to morbidly obese creators.
Have to agree on this. It must go both ways. Heart disease, cancer and diabetes are just as real as osteoporosis and infertility.
> The average person (child or otherwise) is not going to look at Eugenia and aspire to that. There have to be underlying issues for that to happen.
again, strong agree. It really feels that eugenia is taking the anger for pro-ana in general... which does seem rather unfair when she never gives any pro-ana or dangerous advice, yet there are literal sites and groups out there telling children to share nudes, eat nothing but ice and exercise all day... imo if you are triggered by eugenia you need to block her and stay away... getting eugenia off the internet solves nothing, there is ALWAYS more pro-ana.
Have to say I agree OP, but we will be downvoted like fuck for anything other than the "SHE IS SOLEY RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY PEOPLES EATING DISORDERS" rhetoric.
I agree completely. I know I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion for this but the fixation on Eugenia that some of the frequent posters in this subreddit have is bordering on disturbing. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be this invested in some random person in the internet.
I also get very uncomfortable with the multiple posts detailing and focusing on every aspect of her appearance after seemingly every video. I think it promotes quite a dangerous idea about eating disorders and, again, is unhealthy for everyone involved.
the letters to eugenia are so cringe, like dear eugenia, i love you, get help, i can’t do this with you. creepy as fuck.
and the ones who talk about having dreams about her. Just weird
Yeah those are what really get me. Parasocial relationships are scary and fucked up
Those ones weird me out too, especially because we know so little about her.
good thing those notes aren’t for you then!
ya cuz id have to take out a restraining order hahaha
Honestly, I'm just glad people are waking up to how fucked this subreddit actually is. It wouldn't be so egregious but so many want to pretend that they care about her or that their ugly comments are warranted because Eugenia is a bad person, etc.
This place thrives on people being nasty and vindictive because they feel justified; there is still some valid discussion to be had but there are too many people that are obsessed with her and see trashing her as entertainment.
the subreddit has changed a LOT in the past year and turned increasingly hostile against her. When I first joined (and before that occasionally lurked) it was mostly driven by genuine concern for her. There was a lot of speculation about what was going on at home and a lot of questioning what could be done. But as her content grew more problematic and with the growth of cancel culture, the tone in the subreddit became more and more hostile with posts about how people disliked her becoming a daily norm. I mostly scroll past the nastier posts, but the good ones are becoming very few and far between.
Ive noticed this too. I think people have just realized at this point after her short recovery stint that things are never going to get better. It seems natural (though not entirely justified) that a lot of longtime fans who were genuinely concerned for her realized it's fruitless, got emotionally fatigued about it and turned that energy into venting and criticizing. People can only care for so long. I've seen it with the families and friends of addicts and I can see it here. Except here its parasocial and she's an influencer.
yeah I agree, I grew fed up of it too, it just IS so frustrating. I also think holding her accountable is important as well, so it's not all bad
Agree, ive never seen another thread like this where so many people were unhappy with the sub but i’m glad to see it. Some people here are just feeding into their own mental illness or ruining their mental health in an endless cycle.
I mean, yeah? None of that is secret. Honestly I’m pretty sure most of us just follow this subreddit so we can know when she finally gets treatment or finally dies.
productive in which way? what exactly do you think this subreddit is here to produce? It's a discussion group, not a place to accomplish a goal.
I get the sense people think it's meant it be productive because of all the 'dear Eugenia' type posts directed at her and the discussions here and there on what can be done. I'm of the mind it's for people to discuss her and vent their frustrations more than anything.
6. People who write a post with 2000 words about why they are leaving the subreddit.
Hilarious. It actually fits the sub perfectly because OP is expressing their emotions like everybody else on the sub.
I really agree with 3. & have been saying this for awhile.
I believe people in this sub should be free to express their opinion for sure but I think they should also listen to different opinions and take in what they are saying.
HELL YES! All these posts "dear eugenia.... My Ed was so sad let me stop the world make it all about myself and tell you what a piece of shit you are. I can tell you're in a bad place so I just want to make you feel worse." "I just wanna make a post about an obviously extremely mentally ill girl and call her a pedo and make other extremely horrific and brutal and uncalled for claims really quick. SHES TOTES IN THE WRONG THOUGH" Good for you OP!
Couldn't have said it better myself
**Thank You for Posting this.**
i don’t blame Eugenia for triggering me. part of me thinks that i come here specifically to trigger myself. like i understand being upset that she’s triggering so many people, most of which are children, but for me personally i realize that it’s on me.
1 2 and 3 are very true. You can only do so much. 1st point I’ve been noticing a lot with that one ED YouTuber who is very new and is essentially saying she watches drama videos on Eugenia to trigger herself without considering she will just watch the actual videos even if they stop. While you can criticize them since they’re responsible for their own triggers, it clearly is an addiction on some level. I really think she makes content solely for her to body check, at least NOW when it comes to her videos. That’s just my theory as of late
I've never never seen this sub reddit as a "productive place" it is mostly a place for people to come and vent.
I will argue #2 until I die. Being severely underweight or underweight in general is always going to be more destructive to your body than being overweight or even morbidly obese.
They’re both very dangerous at the extremes, which Eugenia is at. Also, even if you were right, so what? What is the threshold where someone’s appearance is dangerous enough that we ban them from social media? And even if we define that threshold, the social media platforms clearly think it would be unfair to ban her and aren’t interested in it.
You know the difference between viewers/people on this sub and Eugenia? We aren't influencers who are _paid_ to influence people.
The entire subreddit is about actively hating on her, and insulting her. Yes, she needs help. And no, she don’t need all the hates.
the irony is though that this is against the rules
> She does like a lot of childlike things
Eugenia grooms children though and has for many years. The problem isn't how many of her viewers are adult/ younger. She still affects children intentionally and negatively. Eugenia has done far greater and worse things than many predators that are actually legally labeled as such. And that is just a lack of research and knowledge on many people's parts and yours maybe. If you want to change that for the good, then change the rules in your area.
It's not, again , that she has stuffed animals, it's that she intentionally films videos with her background being many stuffed animals, themes appealing to children in her videos, and then shows her vagina, and doesn't eat or drink and promotes not eating or drinking.
You don't have to support us. But there are people on here trying to make a difference. Leave instead of insulting them. But don't tell people she is a good intentioned person.
I don’t think she’s a good person. I know about the flashing and the pedo problems and find them gross. I just think she is also incredibly unwell and unstable, and that a lot of the people rallying against her are doing it hypocritically. Plus the platforms have made it clear that they’re not going to ban her for these things, so it’s pointless
What do people on this subreddit do to make a difference? And a difference in what way?
I see that the stans are trying to run off people who want to discuss Cooney if they do the least bit of criticism of her. i didn’t know posting was so demanding. God almighty. Well, to hell with kids and people who wind up seriously hurt by her drama. She can do no wrong I see. Her whole spiel is what is not productive. Blessed Cooney the martyr. Why don’t we make them the holy trinity, folks? J* the blackmailer and racist Shane the racist and pedo and Cooney the beauty.
I guess people prefer the sparkle filter. To those who are fragile and now probably may be too scared to offer their opinion lest it be shot down by Cooney’s apostles, take care. I hope with all my heart that you learn that social media is your enemy and not food. Good food is one of the pleasures of life. So long.
LMAO so now I’m some big Eugenia fan that wants to defend her? I don’t think she’s a good person, and I don’t like her content. I just disagree with you on how it should be handled based on what I’ve seen members of the subreddit do.
You truly are better then us - god speed
Re: your #2 point....is that really YouTube's stance? If so I missed it- I was still under the impression that they werent addressing it at all. If this is their stance, it's weak af and horrible.
I don't want her banned from anything. I just want her to get help. I don't think being online in the state she's in will help her with recovery. She is disengaged from reality when she is doing her vidoes.
i agree. i mostly find it sickening the people who gleefully await her death on here. twisted group
>where someone said that it was strange that she had so many stuffed animals at her age
mr bean [be like](https://dcau.fandom.com/wiki/Woobie)
neverdating=selfpartnered like hermoine/s ...i dont think her hipbones can take it anyhow